Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:36:00 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Beginner help, with also, How to reference product names
 that have no official Lojiban translation?
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Where is the beginners list?

On Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:31:08 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 21:34:36 'John E. Clifford' via lojban=
=20
> wrote:=20
> > Drat, have they changed the rules again for the Lord knows how manieth=
=20
> time?=20
> >  It has been, from time to time, that *anything* preceded by {la .} and=
=20
> > followed by{.}, with no intervening pause was a name, including some=20
> rather=20
> > messy sentences, the names of books or Indians (He is so fierce his=20
> enemies=20
> > are afraid of even just his horses.). What is the rule this week?=20
>
> You don't need a pause in {la selterpa xirma ponse}. (The original name=
=20
> was=20
> compressed, leading to the misleading translation "Man Afraid of his=20
> Horses".)=20
> You need a pause only after a cmevla, before a cmevla (in dotside), befor=
e=20
> a=20
> word starting with a vowel, and in some cases of cmavo with 'y' in them o=
r=20
> stressed on the last syllable.=20
>
> On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:28:40 selpa'i wrote:=20
> > Am 25.09.2014 01:17, schrieb Romaji ####:=20
> > > Or it could be {mi'e la .romajih. mu'o}, right?=20
> >=20
> > The closest to "h" is {x}, so you could go with {romajix}. (Isn't your=
=20
> > name pronounced more like {romadji} though?)=20
>
> From what I've read about Japanese phonetics,  /d=CA=92/ and /=CA=92/ hav=
e fallen=20
> together, as have /dz/ and /z/ (allophones of /d/ and /z/ before /i/ and=
=20
> /u/),=20
> but /t=CA=83/ and /=CA=83/ and /ts/ and /s/ have not. They are still dist=
inguished=20
> in=20
> kana though.=20
>
> Since this is a beginner's question, shouldn't it be on the beginners'=20
> list?=20
>
> Pierre=20
> --=20
> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.=20
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Where is the beginners list?<br><br>On Thursday, September=
 25, 2014 7:31:08 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left: 1ex;">On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 21:34:36 'John E. Cliffor=
d' via lojban wrote:
<br>&gt; Drat, have they changed the rules again for the Lord knows how man=
ieth time?
<br>&gt; &nbsp;It has been, from time to time, that *anything* preceded by =
{la .} and
<br>&gt; followed by{.}, with no intervening pause was a name, including so=
me rather
<br>&gt; messy sentences, the names of books or Indians (He is so fierce hi=
s enemies
<br>&gt; are afraid of even just his horses.). What is the rule this week?
<br>
<br>You don't need a pause in {la selterpa xirma ponse}. (The original name=
 was=20
<br>compressed, leading to the misleading translation "Man Afraid of his Ho=
rses".)=20
<br>You need a pause only after a cmevla, before a cmevla (in dotside), bef=
ore a=20
<br>word starting with a vowel, and in some cases of cmavo with 'y' in them=
 or=20
<br>stressed on the last syllable.
<br>
<br>On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:28:40 selpa'i wrote:
<br>&gt; Am 25.09.2014 01:17, schrieb Romaji ####:
<br>&gt; &gt; Or it could be {mi'e la .romajih. mu'o}, right?
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; The closest to "h" is {x}, so you could go with {romajix}. (Isn't =
your
<br>&gt; name pronounced more like {romadji} though?)
<br>
<br>From what I've read about Japanese phonetics, &nbsp;/d=CA=92/ and /=CA=
=92/ have fallen=20
<br>together, as have /dz/ and /z/ (allophones of /d/ and /z/ before /i/ an=
d /u/),=20
<br>but /t=CA=83/ and /=CA=83/ and /ts/ and /s/ have not. They are still di=
stinguished in=20
<br>kana though.
<br>
<br>Since this is a beginner's question, shouldn't it be on the beginners' =
list?
<br>
<br>Pierre
<br>--=20
<br>Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.
<br>
<br></blockquote></div>

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