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Subject: Re: [lojban] Beginner help, with also, How to reference product names
 that have no official Lojiban translation?
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2014-09-26 3:36 GMT+04:00 Romaji #### <nxt101@gmail.com>:

> Where is the beginners list?
>
>
> On Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:31:08 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 21:34:36 'John E. Clifford' via lojban
>> wrote:
>> > Drat, have they changed the rules again for the Lord knows how manieth
>> time?
>> >  It has been, from time to time, that *anything* preceded by {la .} an=
d
>> > followed by{.}, with no intervening pause was a name, including some
>> rather
>> > messy sentences, the names of books or Indians (He is so fierce his
>> enemies
>> > are afraid of even just his horses.). What is the rule this week?
>>
>> You don't need a pause in {la selterpa xirma ponse}. (The original name
>> was
>> compressed, leading to the misleading translation "Man Afraid of his
>> Horses".)
>> You need a pause only after a cmevla, before a cmevla (in dotside),
>> before a
>> word starting with a vowel, and in some cases of cmavo with 'y' in them
>> or
>> stressed on the last syllable.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:28:40 selpa'i wrote:
>> > Am 25.09.2014 01:17, schrieb Romaji ####:
>> > > Or it could be {mi'e la .romajih. mu'o}, right?
>> >
>> > The closest to "h" is {x}, so you could go with {romajix}. (Isn't your
>> > name pronounced more like {romadji} though?)
>>
>> From what I've read about Japanese phonetics,  /d=CA=92/ and /=CA=92/ ha=
ve fallen
>> together, as have /dz/ and /z/ (allophones of /d/ and /z/ before /i/ and
>> /u/),
>> but /t=CA=83/ and /=CA=83/ and /ts/ and /s/ have not. They are still dis=
tinguished
>> in
>> kana though.
>>
>> Since this is a beginner's question, shouldn't it be on the beginners'
>> list?
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-=
beginners">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-beginners</a><br>=
<div>or send an email to=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegrou=
ps.com">lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com</a></div></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2014-09-26 3:36 GMT+04:00 Romaji ##=
## <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nxt101@gmail.com" target=3D"_bla=
nk">nxt101@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">Where is the beginners list?<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>On =
Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:31:08 PM UTC-4, Pierre Abbat wrote:<blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 21:34:36 &#=
39;John E. Clifford&#39; via lojban wrote:
<br>&gt; Drat, have they changed the rules again for the Lord knows how man=
ieth time?
<br>&gt; =C2=A0It has been, from time to time, that *anything* preceded by =
{la .} and
<br>&gt; followed by{.}, with no intervening pause was a name, including so=
me rather
<br>&gt; messy sentences, the names of books or Indians (He is so fierce hi=
s enemies
<br>&gt; are afraid of even just his horses.). What is the rule this week?
<br>
<br>You don&#39;t need a pause in {la selterpa xirma ponse}. (The original =
name was=20
<br>compressed, leading to the misleading translation &quot;Man Afraid of h=
is Horses&quot;.)=20
<br>You need a pause only after a cmevla, before a cmevla (in dotside), bef=
ore a=20
<br>word starting with a vowel, and in some cases of cmavo with &#39;y&#39;=
 in them or=20
<br>stressed on the last syllable.
<br>
<br>On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:28:40 selpa&#39;i wrote:
<br>&gt; Am 25.09.2014 01:17, schrieb Romaji ####:
<br>&gt; &gt; Or it could be {mi&#39;e la .romajih. mu&#39;o}, right?
<br>&gt;=20
<br>&gt; The closest to &quot;h&quot; is {x}, so you could go with {romajix=
}. (Isn&#39;t your
<br>&gt; name pronounced more like {romadji} though?)
<br>
<br>From what I&#39;ve read about Japanese phonetics, =C2=A0/d=CA=92/ and /=
=CA=92/ have fallen=20
<br>together, as have /dz/ and /z/ (allophones of /d/ and /z/ before /i/ an=
d /u/),=20
<br>but /t=CA=83/ and /=CA=83/ and /ts/ and /s/ have not. They are still di=
stinguished in=20
<br>kana though.
<br>
<br>Since this is a beginner&#39;s question, shouldn&#39;t it be on the beg=
inners&#39; list?
<br>
<br>Pierre
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<br>Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.
<br>
<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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