Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 05:56:16 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Tenseless predicates mean -able?
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I just read section 3.8 of Loglan 1. In it JCB talks about how the 
tenseless predictions entail the concept of *can*. For example, he gives 
the word {ditca} as meaning "X teaches Y to W". Then he gives the example:

    Da fu ditca

Where "fu" converts the 1st and 3rd places. Translated into Lojban (which 
has as different order) I think it is:

    da se ctuca

JCB says it means "X is teachable" and goes on to reinforce the concept 
that, lacking a tense operator, the predicate entails the meaning of *can*. 
Quote, "For in Loglan the fundemental thing about an object is not whether 
it *has* been eaten or taught, but whether it is the kind of thing that 
*can* be eaten or taught." I see no mention of this idea in Lojban's 
grammar, and in Lojban I would translate it as "X is a student". Those 
translations are similar but certainly not the same thing.

Did I miss something? Which is correct?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">I just read section 3.8 of Loglan 1. In it JCB talks about=
 how the tenseless predictions entail the concept of *can*. For example, he=
 gives the word {ditca} as meaning "X teaches Y to W". Then he gives the ex=
ample:<div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nbsp; Da fu ditca</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Where "fu" converts the 1st and 3rd places. Translated into Lojban (which=
 has as different order) I think it is:</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; &nb=
sp; da se ctuca</div><div><br></div><div><div>JCB says it means "X is teach=
able" and goes on to reinforce the concept that, lacking a tense operator, =
the predicate entails the meaning of *can*. Quote, "For in Loglan the funde=
mental thing about an object is not whether it *has* been eaten or taught, =
but whether it is the kind of thing that *can* be eaten or taught." I see n=
o mention of this idea in Lojban's grammar, and in Lojban I would translate=
 it as "X is a student". Those translations are similar but certainly not t=
he same thing.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Did I miss something? Which i=
s correct?</div></div>

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