Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:38295) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXVXd-0005Ov-1u for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:26:37 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id lf10sf1734926pab.26 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qX9uL3MVfoLBiFPdN3aWUmzJfiMqS2KBXcLkh1hT0xs=; b=oxKrE0Gqvtxn2HlVlEaZaVFwg3D1QYxFbCe5tBN4jvD+jZN7yLEppOYKQoER6F4svh aV/iVb8VYciiLRXh8NueZWEyCY3+NGJBN0QyuJrofkd0OtscV9QkwbUe9FqDepbfTPbk RG/yY4bHtInYAMZHf3mNhafLyIgV9eZFEALqNWfEP2E3M1f5MrBtACzLGFK9KUIHM4pK U+coGrc2vQfvMAeY+v+M0sU2i2A4UC/phpf3Re+et2VOqPAIrreFVl8cEpvqD083FqxY AUR2nyN3cT+B/1RZTrdqCBSm5b+j4uibAFI6p7MbLH4lWIajXN3QzjiTT3pboIaI2861 mQ3Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qX9uL3MVfoLBiFPdN3aWUmzJfiMqS2KBXcLkh1hT0xs=; b=dnJxdBADySQSx3Ds9C0W18W2K28EDfgblPVLVOlj2vhWymC879CwxB79bFhqfYtCId AmHXfKUrCjyUE6AedofG+Gr/4MSpYXR4aXqsI29pkltN+MRkzdj8MRhGu5AR+HvqLtXR WQeXlKKKi/8d01WV/XxnRrxzHjnW96EOF7lAYiFfJvDfNGb2SgDunUhcLmzgY9zyT/fd R67ujQEJlqnxYmcP5owUJ+i6fUl3pFYekxFiLhygl7lr2LmseQ+iyyyVC5njUl/YQORP 8XIASVMdxaqBhTep21PGecp8S+X+86W8V/EYENJtiQcyjRvk04Qp/T4S0ZUhqOUVs9wu Hu3g== X-Received: by 10.140.18.161 with SMTP id 30mr1549qgf.31.1411737986672; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.31.180 with SMTP id f49ls1050014qgf.39.gmail; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.96.244 with SMTP id k107mr1183qge.39.1411737986307; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:26:25 -0700 (PDT) From: TR NS To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <9e6adb78-5492-465c-99b2-5c2e1162772f@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [lojban] Tenseless predicates mean -able? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: transfire@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_100_195262068.1411737985625" X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_100_195262068.1411737985625 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Friday, September 26, 2014 9:05:20 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: > > > To explicitly express "-able" use {ka'e} adverb. > i la alis ka'e se ctuca = Alice is possible to be taught. > i la alis ka'e ba mo'u cilre = It is possible that Alice will learn > [something]. > i la alis cu tadni = Alice is/was/will be a student. > That's what I expected. So Lojban (if not Loglan itself) dropped this whole notion of capability. That's interesting b/c if you read this section JCB seems quite adamant about it, as if it were the whole point of not specifying tense. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_100_195262068.1411737985625 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Friday, September 26, 2014 9:05:20 AM UTC-4, la gleki w= rote:

To explicitly express "-able" use {ka'e} adverb.
i la alis ka'e se ctuca =3D Alice is possible to be taught.
i = la alis ka'e ba mo'u cilre =3D It is possible that Alice will learn [someth= ing].
i la alis cu tadni =3D Alice is/was/will be a student.

That's what I expected.= So Lojban (if not Loglan itself) dropped this whole notion of capability. = That's interesting b/c if you read this section JCB seems quite adamant abo= ut it, as if it were the whole point of not specifying tense.

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