Received: from mail-wg0-f58.google.com ([74.125.82.58]:35382) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXVg9-0005cF-IW for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:28 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f58.google.com with SMTP id k14sf603091wgh.3 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pm5Brk+AfqlHkkAnLaZgFgR5VMnkdf60t0XJSCEftbU=; b=QtGk46SHpi2E99bdLQej8A8+Kh/OWvLyH+ntIQ7CCIKGgK1VPLPQ+SOEs6wjl1L6YB 0xPo/DmG19bMl30Fzevl2ZzvYNmq2W8KfQRoE/9B1VnFCNgsE0aCSn/hC5+I9MMu9jwa wsOebp0O4khg65PwHzI8y1jXeGNOLeEBXXMRcyzI+hqrhkYAsx9Y+KjBl9ywtnVkLyCa EXJcJbzRUCTMo0p/X3/BJFgKkbZdw3UCX9X5+iuxVCS0s8JHdxcQAIFUgBvaNmuXXeKf rsAsY1fcCLakfaGpBuT/rixS8PgVo9A2C3vWubBG7FTe+9dlh5Em7oycdfOLQqrkatuy oAVA== X-Received: by 10.152.116.104 with SMTP id jv8mr1328lab.34.1411738513492; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.44.165 with SMTP id f5ls400501lam.33.gmail; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.137.230 with SMTP id ql6mr452107lbb.13.1411738512317; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22f.google.com (mail-la0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id us10si10978lbc.1.2014.09.26.06.35.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f; Received: by mail-la0-f47.google.com with SMTP id mc6so14765445lab.34 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.78.98 with SMTP id a2mr18745484lbx.48.1411738512172; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.4.163 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 06:35:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9e6adb78-5492-465c-99b2-5c2e1162772f@googlegroups.com> References: <9e6adb78-5492-465c-99b2-5c2e1162772f@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 17:35:12 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Tenseless predicates mean -able? From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3c5e288ac8d0503f7fc48 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c3c5e288ac8d0503f7fc48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Loglan has many crazy things of which the lack of {ko} immediately copmes to mind but here is what you should subscribe to and ask there. https://mailman.ucsd.edu/pipermail/loglanists/ Also try reading NB3. 2014-09-26 17:26 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > On Friday, September 26, 2014 9:05:20 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote: >> >> >> To explicitly express "-able" use {ka'e} adverb. >> i la alis ka'e se ctuca = Alice is possible to be taught. >> i la alis ka'e ba mo'u cilre = It is possible that Alice will learn >> [something]. >> i la alis cu tadni = Alice is/was/will be a student. >> > > That's what I expected. So Lojban (if not Loglan itself) dropped this > whole notion of capability. That's interesting b/c if you read this section > JCB seems quite adamant about it, as if it were the whole point of not > specifying tense. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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Loglan has many crazy things of which the lack of {ko} imm= ediately copmes to mind but here is what you should subscribe to and ask th= ere.<= /div>

2014-09-26 1= 7:26 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:
On Friday, September = 26, 2014 9:05:20 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:

To explicitly express "-= able" use {ka'e} adverb.
i la alis ka'e se ctuca =3D= Alice is possible to be taught.
i la alis ka'e ba mo'u c= ilre =3D It is possible that Alice will learn [something].
i la a= lis cu tadni =3D Alice is/was/will be a student.

That's what I expected. So Lojban = (if not Loglan itself) dropped this whole notion of capability. That's = interesting b/c if you read this section JCB seems quite adamant about it, = as if it were the whole point of not specifying tense.

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