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[192.94.73.24]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ua8si431179pac.0.2014.09.27.12.59.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.94.73.24; Received: from thegonz.net (d24-141-9-29.home.cgocable.net [24.141.9.29]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s8RJwtNH025031 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:58:56 GMT Received: from martin by thegonz.net with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXy8g-0005gU-35 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:58:42 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:58:42 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 Message-ID: <20140927195841.GT28734@gonzales> References: <20140927163121.GO28734@gonzales> <3c3b1c5e-cac2-42df-9d67-553a849789d3@googlegroups.com> <20140927192952.GS28734@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b2ktwntdbf0dPnbx" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: burcu User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --b2ktwntdbf0dPnbx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Saturday, 2014-09-27 at 12:40 -0700 - TR NS : > On Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30:26 PM UTC-4, Martin Bays wrote: > > * Saturday, 2014-09-27 at 12:25 -0700 - TR NS > > On Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:31:55 PM UTC-4, Martin Bays wrote:= =20 > > > Very cool!=20 > > >=20 > > > Could you explain some of the notation, e.g.=20 > > >=20 > > > non-veridical: FA x1. (gerku(f0(x1)) /\ srana(f0(x1),x1))=20 > > > EX x1. viska(f0(x1),mi)=20 > > > > Yeah, there's quite a bit to the notation. But it outputs a lojban=20 > > version too, so you should be able to work out things mean by comparing= =20 > > the logic with the lojban.=20 > > > > To explain what's in your example:=20 > > FA is for all=20 > > EX is there exists=20 > > /\ is and=20 > > f0 is a function (glorked from context).=20 > > > Thanks. That helps. Only the last one doesn't make sense to me. Is it=20 > something to do with `le`? Yes. Here's a simpler example: ro da poi verba cu prami lo mamta be da FA x1:(verba(_)). mamta(f0(x1),x1) FA x1:(verba(_)). prami(x1,f0(x1)) ro da poi ke'a verba ku'o zo'u li ma'o fyno mo'e da lo'o mamta da =2Ei ro da poi ke'a verba ku'o zo'u da prami li ma'o fyno mo'e da lo'o Here, we interpret {lo mamta be da} as a function from children to their mothers; the first proposition expresses this, and the second is then the main statement. --b2ktwntdbf0dPnbx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQnFvEACgkQULC7OLX7LNao0gCfdbPLGPbdk2iqIhdwMNaSeVnZ wbQAoLd170y32AcKoBy7X2Ye3mKW9Ify =c68c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b2ktwntdbf0dPnbx--