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[192.94.73.24]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ua8si442745pac.0.2014.09.27.14.05.49 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Sep 2014 14:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.94.73.24; Received: from thegonz.net (d24-141-9-29.home.cgocable.net [24.141.9.29]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s8RL5U2J018313 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:05:31 GMT Received: from martin by thegonz.net with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XXzB7-0000tq-8G for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:05:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:05:17 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] tersmu 0.2 Message-ID: <20140927210517.GV28734@gonzales> References: <20140927163121.GO28734@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DFFMAMYvrfM3lt66" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: burcu User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --DFFMAMYvrfM3lt66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Saturday, 2014-09-27 at 17:53 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : > Very interesting! Thanks for the interest! > Is there any reason why selbri names have to become "la poi'i ... ku'o" in > the final output? This may be ok for "lo", but I'm not sure it makes sense > for "la", since now "poi'i" and "ku'o" are part of the name. Yes, that's a result of the way the parsing is done currently. The original text is entirely swallowed and lost, regurgitated only in the logical form. From the BUGS file: """ We parse the name in "LA sumtiTail", whereas arguably we should just use the text. Similarly, we don't keep hold of the raw text of a lu-quote. """ When I next get inclination to do some major work on this (and I have the feeling I'll be taking a break for a while again, though hopefully not three years this time!), I'm planning to rip out the current method of parsing (which was built up gradually from scratch, with semantics of each construction implemented as I added the syntax to the parser) with a full camxes implementation (or perhaps just calling an external camxes implementation). That should allow indicators and frees to be done properly, which they currently aren't, and also should deal with this problem. Martin --DFFMAMYvrfM3lt66 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQnJo0ACgkQULC7OLX7LNa80wCgvUuFmuOkDG674MjQgnZ9mvsf AskAn0rNh0WwMdPYuvBxwRDoiOJwq2JH =b9Bj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DFFMAMYvrfM3lt66--