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I got some more thoughts thanks to my just written out reply to the=20
lojbanized-name-in-unix/linux thread:

Russian, I think, warps the mind a little with regards to pronounciation=20
(I suspect many natlangs do), in ways that are relevant:

1. Typical Russian speech turns the A and O sounds into the shwah=20
(spelling?) sound when the syllables it's in are not stressed. I think=20
this warps our notions of what those two letters/phonemes sound like when=
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unstressed.

2. We similarly say our equivalent to lobjan's "v" as lojban's "f" when=20
it's at the end of a word.

3. I remember being taught that each word has exactly one stressed=20
syllable. I think this notion had the most warping impact on me=20
personally, though I can't say if that's only because of me having=20
incidentally learned and thought about that one at the right moment in my=
=20
formative stages.

4. In Russian we have this notion that the letter combinations equivalent=
=20
to lojban's "ji" and "ci" are actually pronounced not with what lojban's=20
"i" maps to, but with this other vowel we have, (at least I'm pretty sure=
=20
it's a vowel), represented by the letter '=D1=8B'. I am not feeling up to=
=20
digging up the IPA symbols for it and verifying for certain if it's one of=
=20
the acceptable ones for lojban's "i", but I'm fairly confident it isn't. I=
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still have to frequently catch myself when reading these combinations in=20
lojban.

I think lojban teaching material for Russians will need to account for all=
=20
of the above points early on, and by "account for" I mean explicitly bring=
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the reader's attention to, and then dismiss as not being unversal speech=20
"realities" (I think monolinguals with little to no foreign language=20
experience in particular are very good at deluding themselves into=20
thinking that the way their language implicitly substitutes certain=20
letters/symbols with non-correspondant phonemes is natural and possibly=20
even inate to all human speech), and instruct the reader that it=20
is definitely not correct in lojban.

mi'e .aleksandr.kojevnikov. mu'o

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