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la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com
> <mailto:and.rosta@gmail.com>> wrote:
>     I had misremembered {voi}. I mean rather that {le broda} is {lo co'e
>     voi'i ke'a broda}, where {voi'i} is nonveridical {noi} (I haven't
>     found an existing experimental cmavo for that in jbovlaste, but I
>     may have searched with insufficient diligence). {Voi} itself seems
>     utterly useless: has it ever been used correctly and meaningfully?
>
> I don't think it has seen much use at all. I'm sure the irci boys will
> soon find a better use for it since they seem to be re-purposing all
> those wasted one syllable cmavo like "tau", "lau" and such.

I might as well link to http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=new_voi

You might recognize it as being basically {poi'i}, but shorter and 
without experimental shape. So far it seems there are already a few 
people who like new-{voi} and are already using it, possibly a bit 
timidly. I think a lot of potential changes have been prevented through 
peer-pressure in the past; people are being attacked and/or treated like 
outcasts when they do something different. I'm sure that if that weren't 
so, there would have been even more proposals and actual changes in 
usage (because less fear allows for more creativity).

As for old-{voi}, I agree it's utterly useless.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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