Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:20:03 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Speaker specificity: {.i da'i na vajni}
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On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03:21 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote:
>
> la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e 
> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM, And Rosta <and....@gmail.com 
> <javascript:> 
> > <mailto:and....@gmail.com <javascript:>>> wrote: 
> >     I had misremembered {voi}. I mean rather that {le broda} is {lo co'e 
> >     voi'i ke'a broda}, where {voi'i} is nonveridical {noi} (I haven't 
> >     found an existing experimental cmavo for that in jbovlaste, but I 
> >     may have searched with insufficient diligence). {Voi} itself seems 
> >     utterly useless: has it ever been used correctly and meaningfully? 
> > 
> > I don't think it has seen much use at all. I'm sure the irci boys will 
> > soon find a better use for it since they seem to be re-purposing all 
> > those wasted one syllable cmavo like "tau", "lau" and such. 
>
> I might as well link to http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=new_voi 
>
>
I found this explanation of {voi} practically unintelligible. Between the 
loose use of logic and linguistic terms ("mid-sentence PREnex"?), and what 
I can only assume is colloquial Jbopre jargon, I was only able to make any 
sense of it through the examples. I think that's very unfortunate. It would 
be nice if it were explained much more clearly, in terms one could, or at 
least almost could, but in the CLL.

In any case, after figuring out the examples, I have a basic idea of it. 
But I am clearing missing the key point, because I'm not sure how exactly 
this is different from {poi}?

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03:21 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wr=
ote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex=
;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
<br>&gt; On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM, And Rosta &lt;<a href=3D"javascri=
pt:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"bRMOOM9pK5sJ" onmousedown=
=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascr=
ipt:';return true;">and....@gmail.com</a>
<br>&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscate=
d-mailto=3D"bRMOOM9pK5sJ" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return t=
rue;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;">and....@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;&gt; wrote:
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; I had misremembered {voi}. I mean rather that {le br=
oda} is {lo co'e
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; voi'i ke'a broda}, where {voi'i} is nonveridical {no=
i} (I haven't
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; found an existing experimental cmavo for that in jbo=
vlaste, but I
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; may have searched with insufficient diligence). {Voi=
} itself seems
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; utterly useless: has it ever been used correctly and=
 meaningfully?
<br>&gt;
<br>&gt; I don't think it has seen much use at all. I'm sure the irci boys =
will
<br>&gt; soon find a better use for it since they seem to be re-purposing a=
ll
<br>&gt; those wasted one syllable cmavo like "tau", "lau" and such.
<br>
<br>I might as well link to <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=
=3Dnew_voi" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google=
.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3Dnew_voi\46sa\=
75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFEs8Xs7dRShX-YguZcsnXHG9LqhA';return true;" o=
nclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban=
.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3Dnew_voi\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFEs8X=
s7dRShX-YguZcsnXHG9LqhA';return true;">http://mw.lojban.org/index.<wbr>php?=
title=3Dnew_voi</a>
<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I found this explanation of {voi} prac=
tically unintelligible. Between the loose use of logic and linguistic terms=
 ("mid-sentence PREnex"?), and what I can only assume is colloquial Jbopre =
jargon, I was only able to make any sense of it through the examples. I thi=
nk that's very unfortunate. It would be nice if it were explained much more=
 clearly, in terms one could, or at least almost could, but in the CLL.<br>=
</div><div><br></div><div>In any case, after figuring out the examples, I h=
ave a basic idea of it. But I am clearing missing the key point, because I'=
m not sure how exactly this is different from {poi}?</div><div><br></div></=
div>

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