Received: from mail-vc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.220.190]:60863) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYFXC-00025F-0K for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:18 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id hy4sf892147vcb.27 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RpxZfUtVUII1MLChNeNnE4EQ2OlepG7oMGbVHu9D2Dg=; b=F+7g8SWzGUHbLU9TPegBQHomrCF8voCbygPkO9hvPivZEBxRjFGen4ZCxBF9CgPll9 YK/6y2XhUN9X/pV3f5O+K/Sg/SEXU9ZofwVPNAMtO6MX/rAK8QBi1onNB2rURfD9ZUhE OWLO1QvYhQUvoXHVRI82Ieq75SK9mQXwewq1w/adfEKLkaJyvcCUeL+P8rrtH08R7ICy LcrKXvUDhduTOXvYb6BJiAD+zs8QSXdVBPUFXjDc+ntwOTwRCA2/cwQNbrobg2XNBEj3 oLKaNiwG8uHI5tHYJBanjS6zsU+J0JvoeH+b8Owzt+sesgChQeEQkGNWabGsdO81PelZ t3aQ== X-Received: by 10.140.96.54 with SMTP id j51mr1020qge.13.1411914783322; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.38.74 with SMTP id s68ls1083312qgs.13.gmail; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.181.200 with SMTP id dy8mr26112964vdc.8.1411914783112; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x232.google.com (mail-qa0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si2141921qcm.2.2014.09.28.07.33.03 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of alexkoz@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232; Received: by mail-qa0-x232.google.com with SMTP id j7so7639829qaq.37 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.229.67.69 with SMTP id q5mr43069296qci.25.1411914783037; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.137] (fl-67-233-176-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net. [67.233.176.147]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d1sm9072836qaa.21.2014.09.28.07.33.01 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 07:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 10:32:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Kozhevnikov To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Ease of learning for different native languages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LN8 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: alexkoz@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of alexkoz@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=alexkoz@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Re #2: Russian normally devoices final consonants (not just 'v') of words > and before unvoiced consonants at morpheme boundaries, but > since=C2=A0such=C2=A0consonants only occur finally in Lojban cmevla, I th= ink it's a > very minor problem.=C2=A0 >=20 > The Russian devoicing doesn't affect l, r, m, n, but this shouldn't affec= t > perception of Lojban either.=C2=A0 ki'e Thanks for catching that. My biggest problem as someone who learned=20 Russian as a kid but then didn't have exposure to consistent Russian=20 schooling after the fact is that I am rarely consciously aware of these=20 details. I also completely forgot when writing point two that indeed in lojban only= =20 cmevla end in consonants, so in practice I think you're probably right and= =20 that point would not have all that high of an impact. mu'o mi'e .aleksandr.kojevnikov. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.