Received: from mail-ee0-f56.google.com ([74.125.83.56]:39200) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYG02-0002HE-7v for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:03:05 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f56.google.com with SMTP id b57sf1120670eek.11 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Lv3Y/z0ZFn+UWceHRsnOycmbHNaQJu6vq1Y3JrM+TGc=; b=KbhQ4SSqiNzDivm+0SisFMb98e0hoV1g2o9VQxG/3Us9yCEwWrcWK16a/kutDL8Dm7 UOUpRsTZNoWwt+VCAVgb75L21PYpw9CMzClbZRztNfIns0xALF1piHvs7t1+v7nve6EX v05LJcdnH1JcAXy92BoPfODAOEiG5D7oSU8lj+upIusF7faJLzj5y7YMFDYkr83PvC00 if/q6iaWIsaLtFOGBNXoKGRWryhAhph4mgWnVofJRglYIbetGFDAFuR/ZY8n4ewYSuxC NbCgRBf0LvTY8i+/TW1EaKYJS4yM7ypc6f9JfUA4h0zyNfp3CCy8R72LvzONG90b/lAV 0u1g== X-Received: by 10.152.10.4 with SMTP id e4mr1153lab.6.1411916571059; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.19.131 with SMTP id f3ls478253lae.38.gmail; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.89.8 with SMTP id bk8mr4907769lbb.6.1411916569677; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x236.google.com (mail-la0-x236.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa3si470163lbc.0.2014.09.28.08.02.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::236; Received: by mail-la0-x236.google.com with SMTP id ty20so4217172lab.27 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.167.137 with SMTP id zo9mr3109013lbb.0.1411916569573; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.4.163 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5427DCE6.9020900@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:02:49 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Speaker specificity: {.i da'i na vajni} From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2adde94ff8b0504217116 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c2adde94ff8b0504217116 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 any better? http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=poi%27i 2014-09-28 18:20 GMT+04:00 TR NS : > On Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03:21 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote: >> >> la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e >> > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM, And Rosta > > > wrote: >> > I had misremembered {voi}. I mean rather that {le broda} is {lo >> co'e >> > voi'i ke'a broda}, where {voi'i} is nonveridical {noi} (I haven't >> > found an existing experimental cmavo for that in jbovlaste, but I >> > may have searched with insufficient diligence). {Voi} itself seems >> > utterly useless: has it ever been used correctly and meaningfully? >> > >> > I don't think it has seen much use at all. I'm sure the irci boys will >> > soon find a better use for it since they seem to be re-purposing all >> > those wasted one syllable cmavo like "tau", "lau" and such. >> >> I might as well link to http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=new_voi >> >> > I found this explanation of {voi} practically unintelligible. Between the > loose use of logic and linguistic terms ("mid-sentence PREnex"?), and what > I can only assume is colloquial Jbopre jargon, I was only able to make any > sense of it through the examples. I think that's very unfortunate. It would > be nice if it were explained much more clearly, in terms one could, or at > least almost could, but in the CLL. > > In any case, after figuring out the examples, I have a basic idea of it. > But I am clearing missing the key point, because I'm not sure how exactly > this is different from {poi}? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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any better?

2014-09-2= 8 18:20 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:
On Sunday, Septemb= er 28, 2014 6:03:21 AM UTC-4, selpa'i wrote:
la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM, And Rosta= <and....@gmail.com
> <mailto:and....@gmail.com>> wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I had misremembered {voi}. I mean rather that {le br= oda} is {lo co'e
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 voi'i ke'a broda}, where {voi'i} is nonv= eridical {noi} (I haven't
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 found an existing experimental cmavo for that in jbo= vlaste, but I
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 may have searched with insufficient diligence). {Voi= } itself seems
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 utterly useless: has it ever been used correctly and= meaningfully?
>
> I don't think it has seen much use at all. I'm sure the ir= ci boys will
> soon find a better use for it since they seem to be re-purposing a= ll
> those wasted one syllable cmavo like "tau", "lau&qu= ot; and such.

I might as well link to http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title= =3Dnew_voi


I found this explanation of {vo= i} practically unintelligible. Between the loose use of logic and linguisti= c terms ("mid-sentence PREnex"?), and what I can only assume is c= olloquial Jbopre jargon, I was only able to make any sense of it through th= e examples. I think that's very unfortunate. It would be nice if it wer= e explained much more clearly, in terms one could, or at least almost could= , but in the CLL.

In any case, after figuring = out the examples, I have a basic idea of it. But I am clearing missing the = key point, because I'm not sure how exactly this is different from {poi= }?

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