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On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:
> The camxes morphology is not official (yet) and there is no official rule
> for syllabation. English tends to prefer closed syllables, so it may well
> be that English speakers will tend to say al,eks,and,r instead of
> a,lek,san,dr but it doesn't really matter much, since the difference (whi=
ch
> I can hardly hear anyway) doesn't affect the meaning in Lojban. =C2=A0

I see. ki'e that clears things up.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:
> I've been asked this before. You can't really take the word "mu'o" as the
> end of the message because "mu'o" is in selma'o COI, which means it's the
> head of a clause like "mu'o [name] [do'u]". If you start talking before t=
he
> other speaker ends the clause you would be interrupting anyway. A string =
of
> COIs can also head a vocative clause. It's the whole clause "mu'o mi'e
> xorxes [do'u]" that indicates, among other things, that the message is
> over. Those who think that "mu'o" by itself indicates the end of a messag=
e
> are thinking of it as if it was in selma'o UI, but it's actually in selma=
'o
> COI, so you have to wait for the end of the clause for the message to be
> completed. (And the end-of-clause word, "do'u", is almost always elided, =
so
> you shouldn't be waiting too long before assuming it won't come either.)

Interesting. Not sure if I like that as much when used without "do'u" as I=
=20
did when I thought it worked by itself, since when used without "do'u" it=
=20
relies on a time out rather than an explicit end (.uinairu'e), but that's=
=20
still no worse than typical communication, and from a design perspective I=
=20
like the 'optional' nature of being able to explicitly follow the=20
statement up with a "do'u" when I want the efficiency of not forcing the=20
other end to time out, or elide it when it's no big deal to do so=20
(.uisai).

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote:
> That's not exactly right though. Consonantal syllables like "dr" (and als=
o
> syllables with "y" as the nucleus) don't count for the penultimate stress
> rule, so the default stress is unfortunately a,l=C3=A9k,san,dr. If you we=
re to
> change it to "aleksander" it would get the desired default stress. You
> could use "aleksander kojevnkov" to get default stress for both cmevla. I=
n
> any case, stress is free in cmevla, so people could still place it in the
> "wrong" place and be saying the same name.

.u'u ki'e I should've remembered that (I haven't reviewed these rules in a=
=20
while). Maybe that's why I initially capitalized the "san" part, and I was=
=20
just pulling a constructed memory out of my rectal regions when the real=20
memory of the real reason(s) wasn't readily available. I think I'll stick=
=20
with preserving the letters/phonemes of my name more at a higher priority=
=20
than preserving the stress, at this point. You examples are illustrative=20
and appreciated, but are less aesthetically pleasing to me as far as=20
catching my name in lojban, especially since anyone can (un)stress and=20
break syllables rather freely and it's still valid anyway.

mu'o mi'e .aleksandr.kojevnikov. do'u

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