Received: from mail-qa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.216.59]:33748) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYGkk-0002pE-Cg for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:51:20 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id w8sf124147qac.24 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EhsBCn8erSZ3rP4aEzrnVim2pb2hrwXopsM2jIViLzc=; b=ljPl0Dd3dvVg435h5V9PB816N0n3e71rWh7Fxfxyoi/2fvuacUCeAoW23sDfYr0tWc e9iKiO5ZkuxalMs/BK4IO41zHjBcuDWyN4i/dSxHP67acs2YpsWMleX1eQHrVBvpkmR3 B2tc8moHEsh/GqjpBlOGKehceoQeBFjmWv7xxmeOnz8i8o7FBzKrGk4qGqn1hU53Fazi X5l+cJkfMgNKQe8K+pUebsMeRhnw5Hj5HjGDaH26T0ZyZ3xPXryk0V65JmHmsaictmhl 94geRdgWlONVBZKbC1WC/y24+QHGsCwH83WjZZolSlwz8LtNrynEz61YmMt6gSgwJbrG Ldmw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EhsBCn8erSZ3rP4aEzrnVim2pb2hrwXopsM2jIViLzc=; b=Axr34Lk1q0mTEi8vrqUNfsygKxuXu1+7bTThKFpooEqbfUSaAdB1eeLjNXWSnCa17p ffAIaaNQwJSx9nIQtwIFt6HLzkwDDg3DYubHyZ+PQrJm8p+Z6zHNgi/1yFQEtryBw3eN pDtN7MShRbDZJE+Q+/MdsuF18LQ6qDVBEoydXH7He47XNzfxbjAYVJWt8Z/3KvK45MOy l0FhNeFCeJ3Gq5HKMYkHSceDozDnLpwoOydIiNz3amMWgaQ2rdnCJfC7+RPU9EmDrSLc bZIVP+aYZwAqh94YLIJVrK2jgpqvZBhM7SYlKV2bqmZkmukDcITi7lGptURf1F7jPrqb GJWA== X-Received: by 10.140.34.208 with SMTP id l74mr300728qgl.1.1411919467912; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.83.72 with SMTP id i66ls542729qgd.66.gmail; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:51:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.109.203 with SMTP id l69mr239qgf.27.1411919467705; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 08:51:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Arnold To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <25B055499F67420FA34794323F9A95AB@gmail.com> <20140515173852.477d9f55@aol.com> <20140516015036.1f762326@aol.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban's leadership and how I don't give a shit about it MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1860_208742487.1411919467059" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- ------=_Part_1860_208742487.1411919467059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I vote Aye. My position on all do-ocracy will always be "Aye". Let me be clear on what I do not care about. I am actually much _less_ concerned about the quality of the language than just finishing something. I want to make the following: - A simple non-comprehensive dictionary. - Standardized testing in Lojban expertise. - Games and stories in which characters communicate with the player/reader in Lojban. - A website that would drill its users daily in Lojban grammar. I would love to make those projects. But Lojbanists are reluctant because the language has some incomplete areas. I say, amputate entire selma'o that are unclear, give it official blessing as 1.0, and say "we'll put those selma'o back in for v2.0". Then let us get on with the concrete goals I listed above. Until then, Lojban is useless, and therefore, the will of the people is irrelevant, and our democratic votes does not matter, and the opinion of the language founders doesn't matter any more than James Cook Brown, because there's no point. Just do it, selpa'i. Do anything. I don't care what you do. Just break us out of the paralysis, call it "finished version 1" and let's move on. -Eppcott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_1860_208742487.1411919467059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I vote Aye. My position on all do-ocracy will always be "A= ye". 

Let me be clear on what I do not care about. = I am actually much _less_ concerned about the quality of the language than = just finishing something. I want to make the following:
- A simple non-= comprehensive dictionary.
- Standardized testing in Lojban expertise.- Games and stories in which characters communicate with the player/reader= in Lojban.
- A website that would drill its users daily in Lojban gramm= ar.

I would love to make those projects. But = Lojbanists are reluctant because the language has some incomplete areas. I = say, amputate entire selma'o that are unclear, give it official blessing as= 1.0, and say "we'll put those selma'o back in for v2.0". Then let us get o= n with the concrete goals I listed above. Until then, Lojban is useless, an= d therefore, the will of the people is irrelevant, and our democratic votes= does not matter, and the opinion of the language founders doesn't matter a= ny more than James Cook Brown, because there's no point. 
Just do it, selpa'i. Do anything. I don't care what you do. Ju= st break us out of the paralysis, call it "finished version 1" and let's mo= ve on. 

-Eppcott

 

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