Received: from mail-wg0-f59.google.com ([74.125.82.59]:57409) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYK6f-0004pO-5S for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:26:09 -0700 Received: by mail-wg0-f59.google.com with SMTP id x13sf1028755wgg.4 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2ISSsu0ncSZvaTh1G7LX4CAub2O/o/5pAOBjxX38kRs=; b=nUoeTzcc2Gr9iEEApTXpSnMfWwl9UduzafZ2eUlRDavpCyYfh0ljSHWu2ykQJSjup2 dUWcQS34Ygh7q1lS0R2BzCoOp7yiJ/OHubqFEqkP5dRbIhTaOaGu2hYwYXG3z4V2ikP1 ULmfwjLiaC4g3RA6Zlyunz87vvR5pwKQxo8ItFp5+CV1ki/kCkQE/3S7CnFO+hNm9MWR 6chAwSvbYsrrqE0eEv910oBvWSfDbJDKxbxUCjXkhOkKXK3vxxaMPU3m6tUdZOm2fVMF s3xiEmwhfy7bvnARLKEqBIKfwEdvwf2G5hCfiPqBhka/c021Xc/D8SNKoWW750ypQQNP ojQg== X-Received: by 10.180.90.174 with SMTP id bx14mr274444wib.20.1411932358158; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.19.99 with SMTP id d3ls381925wie.41.canary; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.106.197 with SMTP id gw5mr1142649wib.1.1411932357644; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.15]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa3si561376lbc.0.2014.09.28.12.25.57 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.15 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.15; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.115.231]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LdHeL-1Xz6Hc0FxR-00iXLH for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:25:57 +0200 Message-ID: <542860C7.2060006@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:25:59 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Speaker specificity: {.i da'i na vajni} References: <5427DCE6.9020900@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:GqUXDgnLglYJE2CJJOXbEsMpyvRv4gdth576momToU2ZdfeqZhs vv6Xl9jAvZMjRptUigIQf2ZneZSGv3PsHVhRgSlgkeH1weWrs2Ub0IUoiBRUKj4FuGi3OIy U0Wrezje5UIlqwBJJovXCwirKBf8VtvwRToC/EJkbhmhjY7oh/9IP0ZgEyrI27oG/mmm0iP EY8OCLi0afBaN4DT2qctw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.15 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - la .and. cu cusku di'e > Assigning /voi/ to {poi'i} -- excellent stuff! I'm delighted to hear > it's being used already. Rereading today some discussion from 12+ years > ago, I see {se ka} was also proposed, subject to instigation of a > convention for coercing added sumti places by addition of SE or FA. > > Is there a list of cmavo recycling proposals? Off the top of my head, here are most of the re-assignments that have been considered (and I mean considered, not settled by any means): ce'u -> ce ke'a -> ki tu'a -> tau jo'u -> jau du'u -> du su'o -> sa / su poi'i -> voi And there is this proposal to replace good ol' never-used {soi}: http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=new_soi This proposal is quite popular actually (among those who know about it). (I also have a secret proposal to assign the currently un-assigned cmavo {ja'u} to {na ka'e na} (also known as {bi'ai}). > I saw somewhere a proposal > to recycle /du/, which I was initially a little consternated by, since > {le du} had seemed very useful to me (as meaning unbound "he, she, it, > they"), but I guess that could be got by {lo co'e}, with {co'e} meriting > a monosyllabic form. What I would like even more is a better system of anaphoric pro-sumti and pro-bridi in general. mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.