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Clifford' via lojban" X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) Message-Id: <3E1A5928-E863-44CA-84F8-2B151D751606@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:27:01 -0500 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.138.91.159 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Original-From: "John E. Clifford" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_bar: / I am awandering,,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even assum= ing I am missing pieces, things don't seem to add up. There are two or thre= e threads that seem to be related and that don't gel. The program that is t= o get to the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly unrelated (= and much more complex) than the originals. Apparently this comes from unpa= cking thins that are logically OK as they stand (the occurrence of {srana} = seems a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the obvious invalidity of m= ost "translations" of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This nuttiness then leads using= things like {voi}, which have no use outsider misunderstanding {le}. And t= hat then carries over other uses of other words in the same category, mainl= y uses that should never have arisen -- and probably wouldn't have aside fr= om the definitions. Folks, this is a logical language; use the logic rathe= r than fighting it. {le broda} is a purely denotative term and so has no r= elation to brodas and ao {voi} has no role to play. Neither {zs'a} nor KOhA= can be used as a basis for a free standing definition since thy are both m= eaningless and referenceless. Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes). Sent from my iPad --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.