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zs'a?

stevo


On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:27 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <
lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I am awandering,,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even
> assuming I am missing pieces, things don't seem to add up. There are two or
> three threads that seem to be related and that don't gel. The program that
> is to get to the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly
> unrelated (and much more complex) than the originals.  Apparently this
> comes from unpacking thins that are logically OK as they stand (the
> occurrence of {srana} seems a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the
> obvious invalidity of most "translations" of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This
> nuttiness then leads using things like {voi}, which have no use outsider
> misunderstanding {le}. And that then carries over other uses of other words
> in the same category, mainly uses that should never have arisen -- and
> probably wouldn't have aside from the definitions.  Folks, this is a
> logical language; use the logic rather than fighting it.  {le broda} is a
> purely denotative term and so has no relation to brodas and ao {voi} has no
> role to play. Neither {zs'a} nor KOhA can be used as a basis for a free
> standing definition since thy are both meaningless and referenceless.
> Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes).
>
> Sent from my iPad
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">zs&#39;a?=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div></div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4=
:27 PM, &#39;John E. Clifford&#39; via lojban <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.c=
om</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am awandering,=
,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even assuming I am missing=
 pieces, things don&#39;t seem to add up. There are two or three threads th=
at seem to be related and that don&#39;t gel. The program that is to get to=
 the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly unrelated (and much=
 more complex) than the originals.=C2=A0 Apparently this comes from unpacki=
ng thins that are logically OK as they stand (the occurrence of {srana} see=
ms a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the obvious invalidity of most=
 &quot;translations&quot; of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This nuttiness then lead=
s using things like {voi}, which have no use outsider misunderstanding {le}=
. And that then carries over other uses of other words in the same category=
, mainly uses that should never have arisen -- and probably wouldn&#39;t ha=
ve aside from the definitions.=C2=A0 Folks, this is a logical language; use=
 the logic rather than fighting it.=C2=A0 {le broda} is a purely denotative=
 term and so has no relation to brodas and ao {voi} has no role to play. Ne=
ither {zs&#39;a} nor KOhA can be used as a basis for a free standing defini=
tion since thy are both meaningless and referenceless.<br>
Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes).<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
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