Received: from mail-lb0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]:45171) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYOeQ-0006p4-Kx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:19 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f192.google.com with SMTP id f15sf221221lbj.29 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eJuXTWMBCsV6XxHkBpIJ0Fn6kvVu3OYd9W/Nji20+IE=; b=IT72b7mZN+s205iqk+8rFGzAtNC8FgtAFi9KpY9iZbfOHIaOItjvb3crU3Yho95bWx 0ULC1Sa3gHsOgRFS0DmhjPOD+yIhiIGAaPgyy0IT5K3uECxMoonEVFraCH7WFKDy8Xfc 6jhRaR3kwm87il4Ovr40e4XjgUpBY/2Di7I7/yn/BNPPYIJFH6Ev104lan3XlgS4HWVn CliyMwGYMonGMy6xVVH+KQsQucXtxjetF+pC6NEah+HHEbOy2c4wOzMN4nSEYoAXEbPT iJofKlxNq5PAD2T/P4hgwupjsxW39Zn2hq7ecyBNebRdp1uEJNRYnobTGlMDyQn8KXse C0fw== X-Received: by 10.180.78.101 with SMTP id a5mr75814wix.19.1411949827122; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.87.195 with SMTP id ba3ls378544wib.47.canary; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.160.169 with SMTP id xl9mr8113954wib.7.1411949826621; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x234.google.com (mail-la0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa3si620484lbc.0.2014.09.28.17.17.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::234; Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id hz20so519406lab.25 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.235.70 with SMTP id uk6mr5313062lbc.89.1411949826511; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.25.229 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:17:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140928160229.GD28734@gonzales> References: <20140928160229.GD28734@gonzales> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:17:06 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {da poi} (was: Re: tersmu 0.2 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jorge_Llamb=C3=ADas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3db46d99b170504292fd2 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a11c3db46d99b170504292fd2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > So a {noi} on a variable yields a side claim entirely > outside the scope of the corresponding quantifier, so involving an > unbound variable, which I'm currently (fairly arbitrarily) handling by > universally quantifying it out over whatever domain it was originally > quantified over, so e.g. {du su'o da poi broda zi'e noi brode} -> {ro da > poi broda zo'u da brode .i su'o da poi broda zo'u du da}. > Should we allow for the possibility that "brode" is not distributive over the brodas? Something like: su'o da poi plini zi'e noi so'i so'i mei cu terdi mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a11c3db46d99b170504292fd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org>= wrote:
So a {noi} on a variable yields a= side claim entirely
outside the scope of the corresponding quantifier, so involving an
unbound variable, which I'm currently (fairly arbitrarily) handling by<= br> universally quantifying it out over whatever domain it was originally
quantified over, so e.g. {du su'o da poi broda zi'e noi brode} ->= ; {ro da
poi broda zo'u da brode .i su'o da poi broda zo'u du da}.

Should we allow for the possibility that &qu= ot;brode" is not distributive over the brodas?=C2=A0
Somethi= ng like:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0su'o da poi plini zi'= ;e noi so'i so'i mei cu terdi=C2=A0

mu'= ;o mi'e xorxes

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