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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:22:32 +0100
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Speaker specificity: {.i da'i na vajni}
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Thanks for the info, selpa'i & Jacob. It's great to see people so engaged
with the usability and logical basis of the language. New soi seems a very
good idea.

Is there a body of opinion that thinks that designwise ce'u should be
retained, or is it rather the case that the prevailing opinion is that any
reforms should focus on the important changes rather on those (such as
scrapping ce'u) that could justly be called tinkering?

--And.
On 28 Sep 2014 20:25, "selpa'i" <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .and. cu cusku di'e
>
>> Assigning /voi/ to {poi'i} -- excellent stuff! I'm delighted to hear
>> it's being used already. Rereading today some discussion from 12+ years
>> ago, I see {se ka} was also proposed, subject to instigation of a
>> convention for coercing added sumti places by addition of SE or FA.
>>
>> Is there a list of cmavo recycling proposals?
>>
>
> Off the top of my head, here are most of the re-assignments that have been
> considered (and I mean considered, not settled by any means):
>
> ce'u -> ce
> ke'a -> ki
> tu'a -> tau
> jo'u -> jau
> du'u -> du
> su'o -> sa / su
> poi'i -> voi
>
> And there is this proposal to replace good ol' never-used {soi}:
>
> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=new_soi
>
> This proposal is quite popular actually (among those who know about it).
>
> (I also have a secret proposal to assign the currently un-assigned cmavo
> {ja'u} to {na ka'e na} (also known as {bi'ai}).
>
>  I saw somewhere a proposal
>> to recycle /du/, which I was initially a little consternated by, since
>> {le du} had seemed very useful to me (as meaning unbound "he, she, it,
>> they"), but I guess that could be got by {lo co'e}, with {co'e} meriting
>> a monosyllabic form.
>>
>
> What I would like even more is a better system of anaphoric pro-sumti and
> pro-bridi in general.
>
> mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">Thanks for the info, selpa&#39;i &amp; Jacob. It&#39;s great=
 to see people so engaged with the usability and logical basis of the langu=
age. New soi seems a very good idea.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Is there a body of opinion that thinks that designwise ce=
9;u should be retained, or is it rather the case that the prevailing opinio=
n is that any reforms should focus on the important changes rather on those=
 (such as scrapping ce&#39;u) that could justly be called tinkering?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">--And.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 28 Sep 2014 20:25, &quot;selpa&#39;i&quot; &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type=
=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">la .and. cu cusku di&#39;e<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Assigning /voi/ to {poi&#39;i} -- excellent stuff! I&#39;m delighted to hea=
r<br>
it&#39;s being used already. Rereading today some discussion from 12+ years=
<br>
ago, I see {se ka} was also proposed, subject to instigation of a<br>
convention for coercing added sumti places by addition of SE or FA.<br>
<br>
Is there a list of cmavo recycling proposals?<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Off the top of my head, here are most of the re-assignments that have been =
considered (and I mean considered, not settled by any means):<br>
<br>
ce&#39;u -&gt; ce<br>
ke&#39;a -&gt; ki<br>
tu&#39;a -&gt; tau<br>
jo&#39;u -&gt; jau<br>
du&#39;u -&gt; du<br>
su&#39;o -&gt; sa / su<br>
poi&#39;i -&gt; voi<br>
<br>
And there is this proposal to replace good ol&#39; never-used {soi}:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Dnew_soi" target=3D"_blank=
">http://mw.lojban.org/index.<u></u>php?title=3Dnew_soi</a><br>
<br>
This proposal is quite popular actually (among those who know about it).<br=
>
<br>
(I also have a secret proposal to assign the currently un-assigned cmavo {j=
a&#39;u} to {na ka&#39;e na} (also known as {bi&#39;ai}).<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I saw somewhere a proposal<br>
to recycle /du/, which I was initially a little consternated by, since<br>
{le du} had seemed very useful to me (as meaning unbound &quot;he, she, it,=
<br>
they&quot;), but I guess that could be got by {lo co&#39;e}, with {co&#39;e=
} meriting<br>
a monosyllabic form.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
What I would like even more is a better system of anaphoric pro-sumti and p=
ro-bridi in general.<br>
<br>
mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i mu&#39;o<br>
<br>
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