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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:33:52 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Speaker specificity: {.i da'i na vajni}
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On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:33 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know what having "nonspecific referents" is. If a specific
> referent is one underdetermined by the description, is a nonspecific one
> one that is fully determined by the description, e.g. a generic?
>
Nice. Is "underdetermined by the description" a common definition or test
for specificity?  I'm not sure it excludes generics though. In:

 "Certain things are better left unsaid."

would you agree that "certain things" is +specific and +generic?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:33 PM, And Rosta <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:and.rosta@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">and.rosta@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
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r=3D"ltr">I don&#39;t know what having &quot;nonspecific referents&quot; is=
. If a specific referent is one underdetermined by the description, is a no=
nspecific one one that is fully determined by the description, e.g. a gener=
ic?</p></span></blockquote><div>Nice. Is &quot;underdetermined by the descr=
iption&quot; a common definition or test for specificity?=C2=A0 I&#39;m not=
 sure it excludes generics though. In:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0&quot=
;Certain things are better left unsaid.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>woul=
d you agree that &quot;certain things&quot; is +specific and +generic?</div=
><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></d=
iv></div>

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