Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:17:43 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Re: New soi's scope
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The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper" has been used)=
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was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to-right scoping=
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rule, to make certain things easier to express without rearranging the=20
entire sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xoi as=20
currently defined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.

la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post=20
<http://selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/recycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-co=
i-or-coi>
.

mu'o mi'e la durka

El domingo, 28 de septiembre de 2014 20:37:55 UTC-4, And Rosta escribi=C3=
=B3:
>
> I've just noticed that new soi "always takes top scope". Why is that? Not=
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> knowing the discussion that led to that choice, I incline to the view tha=
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> in a reformed Lojban there would be a new syntax that syntacticizes the=
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> left-to-right scope rule (so that clause structure is binary branching, a=
s=20
> in Xorban), in which case you'd expect soi to scope over what it precedes=
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> Most if not all tags (e.g. tense) could be seen as abbreviations of soi=
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> phrases, and hence you'd expect soi phrases to have the scopal properties=
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> of tags.
>
> --And.
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper"=
 has been used) was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to=
-right scoping rule, to make certain things easier to express without rearr=
anging the entire sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xo=
i as currently defined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.<br><br>la =
selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of <a href=3D"http://selpahi=
.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/recycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi">this =
post</a>.<br><br>mu'o mi'e la durka<br><br>El domingo, 28 de septiembre de =
2014 20:37:55 UTC-4, And Rosta escribi=C3=B3:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;"><p dir=3D"ltr">I've just noticed that new soi "always takes =
top scope". Why is that? Not knowing the discussion that led to that choice=
, I incline to the view that in a reformed Lojban there would be a new synt=
ax that syntacticizes the left-to-right scope rule (so that clause structur=
e is binary branching, as in Xorban), in which case you'd expect soi to sco=
pe over what it precedes. Most if not all tags (e.g. tense) could be seen a=
s abbreviations of soi phrases, and hence you'd expect soi phrases to have =
the scopal properties of tags.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">--And.</p>
</blockquote></div>

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