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Subject: [lojban] Re: New soi's scope
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On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote:
>
> The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper" has been used) 
> was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to-right scoping 
> rule, to make certain things easier to express without rearranging the 
> entire sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xoi as 
> currently defined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.
>
> la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post 
> <http://selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/recycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi>
> .
>

Thank you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}.

So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the possible identity 
of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn't restrict the identity, 
but selects the quality of the referent that makes it pertinent. Another 
translations besides simply "as" might be "in so far as".


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, l=
a durka wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-l=
eft: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper" has been used) =
was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to-right scoping r=
ule, to make certain things easier to express without rearranging the entir=
e sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xoi as currently d=
efined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.<br><br>la selpa'i has some=
 discussion in the second half of <a href=3D"http://selpahi.weebly.com/arch=
ive-pre-2014/recycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi" target=3D"_blank" onm=
ousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fselpahi=
.weebly.com%2Farchive-pre-2014%2Frecycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi\46=
sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGD8UIbhYf_GtUcWlA9kIw4qxsuEA';return true;=
" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fselpah=
i.weebly.com%2Farchive-pre-2014%2Frecycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi\4=
6sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNGD8UIbhYf_GtUcWlA9kIw4qxsuEA';return true=
;">this post</a>.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you, so m=
uch. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the possible i=
dentity of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn't restrict the id=
entity, but selects the quality of the referent that makes it pertinent. An=
other translations besides simply "as" might be "in so far as".</div><div><=
br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: =
0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:=
0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
</blockquote></div></blockquote></div>

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