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Well, careful... that post is proposing a redefinition of voi. (I don't und=
erstand its current meaning either.)

On Sunday, September 28, 2014 at 11:45 PM, TR NS wrote:

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>=20
> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote:
> > The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper" has been use=
d) was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to-right scopin=
g rule, to make certain things easier to express without rearranging the en=
tire sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xoi as currentl=
y defined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.
> >=20
> > la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post (http://=
selpahi.weebly.com/archive-pre-2014/recycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi=
).
>=20
> Thank you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}.
>=20
> So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the possible identi=
ty of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn't restrict the identit=
y, but selects the quality of the referent that makes it pertinent. Another=
 translations besides simply "as" might be "in so far as".
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                <div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 13px;">Wel=
l, careful... that post is proposing a redefinition of voi. (I don't unders=
tand its current meaning either.)<br></div>
                <div></div>
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                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Sunday, September 28, 2014 =
at 11:45 PM, TR NS wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Sunday, Sep=
tember 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote:<blockquote style=3D"marg=
in: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr">The reason for making it that way (the term "scope leaper" h=
as been used) was precisely to provide a way to escape the normal left-to-r=
ight scoping rule, to make certain things easier to express without rearran=
ging the entire sentence structure. A similar proposed bridi modifier (xoi =
as currently defined in jbovlaste) is right-scoping like tags.<br><br>la se=
lpa'i has some discussion in the second half of <a href=3D"http://selpahi.w=
eebly.com/archive-pre-2014/recycling-some-coi-cmavo-not-coi-or-coi" target=
=3D"_blank">this post</a>.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank =
you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}.</div><div=
><br></div><div>So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the p=
ossible identity of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn't restri=
ct the identity, but selects the quality of the referent that makes it pert=
inent. Another translations besides simply "as" might be "in so far as".</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
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