Received: from mail-oi0-f56.google.com ([209.85.218.56]:47587) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYWGK-0001Ez-Iq for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:25:00 -0700 Received: by mail-oi0-f56.google.com with SMTP id u20sf2801957oif.1 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3a/2xziRiXQUUFHrY9DfZBAF1JvloSoc2az0CA8FcBo=; b=iRyeEMbWC0zvoFRYIPoV2c+j1Qajb+ctIsf9Vu/7WrGshhYFkjCO5cgB/BqoSS5rOM AHbVnKrHB1l9UaG4UXCtj3sF0Pzd+6FJ2ujatrt3t+7+ybPff0OEOle+Q0SLgpBTrbBZ hliMhqMtYKiryPWNFlaWZQNfXjpCq1o3SS+6+sw5wSVrOGwXoMA8MfOzxxaJoMF9sTGP 8EBHAD0AWXs+QuMsJMHRRa4kuvPR3UH+q/7ySZFnrQdieQ2fhqwdfGIcBo08KPzQRR1D sf82lzEGxeky1AF70Lc3rZ9sGqoJPS85m+U7LqAHYcJ/o8M+6eEldFz8MFFE+iunEzAp HxkQ== X-Received: by 10.182.80.170 with SMTP id s10mr5122obx.14.1411979086047; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.22.68 with SMTP id b4ls1135370obf.48.gmail; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.24.8 with SMTP id q8mr33504417obf.25.1411979085627; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x235.google.com (mail-pa0-x235.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l7si842151pdn.0.2014.09.29.01.24.45 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235; Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id kq14so5149681pab.40 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.190.9 with SMTP id gm9mr11985283pbc.151.1411979085487; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.37.198 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.37.198 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <47666b9a-5ea7-4f43-b5c4-b72399ba47bb@googlegroups.com> References: <957408e7-c827-4460-bf97-4a85642f29c7@googlegroups.com> <47666b9a-5ea7-4f43-b5c4-b72399ba47bb@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:24:45 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New soi's scope From: And Rosta To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cc20d2256005042fff1f X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --e89a8ff1cc20d2256005042fff1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 29 Sep 2014 04:45, "TR NS" wrote: > > On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote: >> la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post. > > > Thank you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}. > > So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the possible identity of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn't restrict the identity, but selects the quality of the referent that makes it pertinent. Another translations besides simply "as" might be "in so far as". That is a different proposal than the one for using /voi/ for {poi'i}, which is the one you hadn't understood. It struck me as quite reasonable and understandable that you, newish to these topics, didn't understand that proposal, but not that you blamed the proposer for that. --And. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --e89a8ff1cc20d2256005042fff1f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 29 Sep 2014 04:45, "TR NS" <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote:
>> la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post= .
>
>
> Thank you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}= .
>
> So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the po= ssible identity of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn= 't restrict the identity, but selects the quality of the referent that = makes it pertinent. Another translations besides simply "as" migh= t be "in so far as".

That is a different proposal than the one for using /voi/ fo= r {poi'i}, which is the one you hadn't understood.

It struck me as quite reasonable and understandable that you= , newish to these topics, didn't understand that proposal, but not that= you blamed the proposer for that.

--And.

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsub= scribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http:= //groups.google.com/group/lojban.
For more options, visit http= s://groups.google.com/d/optout.
--e89a8ff1cc20d2256005042fff1f--