Received: from mail-we0-f183.google.com ([74.125.82.183]:46931) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYWRk-0001HH-0i for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:44 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f183.google.com with SMTP id q59sf124890wes.10 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4c13HXYt3rjn5/pFZ8eoG4dVugZAinAGTA75b79mI3I=; b=CqLPGdsyGANaZfPRWn8HoYHomRV7tWe+0lA+Jt1Hr3xYdimgs5kC70KQwdw5ajpan3 FJZ7fTiDivyli7NZJavPiKmhoxUGlX5Co0RRW9hzvMPSQOVfU/7crVdg5Ht4ISqnIRXi aju1USqZgjWai6VmWeLBEeYMr5Ft8DIoDXnzIB+AC5pVLEoYQJPRSOy/5Y8KEK9sFNL1 4atdP/hJ0g6v6WS0PIHvJMWpQUqQaBvbX3adIkrVSLy1WgJAuVb2hSBkC8ise5VHrrH0 t3MjtrR8TojSJwSUT9YfD/BvbIYLidw2CoaqZNqt2B8pd6FNjnhE4d23UG1uTQtEtdi2 7ezA== X-Received: by 10.152.88.82 with SMTP id be18mr5741lab.19.1411979792921; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.6.169 with SMTP id c9ls77225laa.56.gmail; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.152.42.229 with SMTP id r5mr200395lal.8.1411979791590; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-x230.google.com (mail-wi0-x230.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::230]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si311241wiz.1.2014.09.29.01.36.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::230; Received: by mail-wi0-x230.google.com with SMTP id n3so2671922wiv.3 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.83.6 with SMTP id m6mr42081025wjy.90.1411979791430; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:36:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <957408e7-c827-4460-bf97-4a85642f29c7@googlegroups.com> <47666b9a-5ea7-4f43-b5c4-b72399ba47bb@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 12:36:31 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New soi's scope From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04c7ae5f8a70504302986 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7bb04c7ae5f8a70504302986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Most pages on the wiki are like that. Few people can understand them. E.g. as of subjunctives at that time I had to copy all of the related pages into one Word document to read them and understand them which took several days. They need simpler definitions and more easy real life examples. Luckily, we have a new wiki on mw.lojban.org that is free from cherishing and preserving those old discussions as they are. We can edit them to make them more human friendly. As of now I'm doing mostly reformatting work (since they are also not readable due to weird formatting). The previous discussions will be saved and frozen forever in the tiki (the older wiki) so everyone can go there at any time if they are doing historical studies. 2014-09-29 12:24 GMT+04:00 And Rosta : > > On 29 Sep 2014 04:45, "TR NS" wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote: > >> la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post. > > > > > > Thank you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}. > > > > So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the possible > identity of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn't restrict the > identity, but selects the quality of the referent that makes it pertinent. > Another translations besides simply "as" might be "in so far as". > > That is a different proposal than the one for using /voi/ for {poi'i}, > which is the one you hadn't understood. > > It struck me as quite reasonable and understandable that you, newish to > these topics, didn't understand that proposal, but not that you blamed the > proposer for that. > > --And. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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Most pages on the wiki are like that. Few people can under= stand them.
E.g. as of subjunctives at that time I had to copy all of t= he related pages into one Word document to read them and understand them wh= ich took several days.
They need simpler definitions and more easy = real life examples.
Luckily, we have a new wiki on mw.lojban.org that is free from cherishing and prese= rving those old discussions as they are. We can edit them to make them more= human friendly.

As of now I'm doing mostly re= formatting work (since they are also not readable due to weird formatting).=
The previous discussions will be saved and frozen forever in the= tiki (the older wiki) so everyone can go there at any time if they are doi= ng historical studies.

2014-09-29 12:24 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@g= mail.com>:

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On 29 Sep 2014 04:45, "TR NS" <transfire@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:17:43 PM UTC-4, la durka wrote:
>> la selpa'i has some discussion in the second half of this post= .
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> Thank you, so much. THAT is an explanation. I finally understand {voi}= .
>
> So, where as {poi} is an "identifier", narrowing down the po= ssible identity of the referent, {voi} is a "qualifier". It doesn= 't restrict the identity, but selects the quality of the referent that = makes it pertinent. Another translations besides simply "as" migh= t be "in so far as".

That is a different proposal than the one for using /voi/ fo= r {poi'i}, which is the one you hadn't understood.

It struck me as quite reasonable and understandable that you= , newish to these topics, didn't understand that proposal, but not that= you blamed the proposer for that.

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