Received: from mail-wi0-f191.google.com ([209.85.212.191]:44197) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XYa6c-0002d5-Sa for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:31:12 -0700 Received: by mail-wi0-f191.google.com with SMTP id n3sf260127wiv.28 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=evy7N5ipxZEjOVhL1OjNrib2MUMLAbhRc7iXfJAjaf4=; b=MVTT7x6L7FXcEYTPIT29+60SVR/bYWX5ziRbVZ/YDqMDeeQ5t+7yuD1LaVfhRhfJWD fO8sBQ711OO0NiMK5eGgo1Pw9U+C4X8x41fRZgOP3dE4ouPPdXVwUN1kVoebGgJwThHC JWFEn53t4E6QNwoh17D55u6W4XHMTRgKyLz/yF7JaGKC8RL5uoABgKmCMVq0iiaSgstp t3pPb1S/r6gwBzUZz9Gak0aMsr4zeaR7fBW/VMcJ6TW3XBYNgVorfv2FtqrvwCsrQzJw kKBLIr07/3uIavKmzOdxtDDYTxag9H9DWURYDC1uhjncQ38lfJZc4CTpZmvEa3NDKXfk +HsQ== X-Received: by 10.180.76.208 with SMTP id m16mr327695wiw.12.1411993858806; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.94.2 with SMTP id cy2ls255355wib.18.canary; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.180.76.230 with SMTP id n6mr8610142wiw.0.1411993858378; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x229.google.com (mail-wg0-x229.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6si580731wiy.0.2014.09.29.05.30.58 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::229; Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so12982263wgh.0 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.20.139 with SMTP id n11mr66711992wie.22.1411993858155; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Sep 2014 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <957408e7-c827-4460-bf97-4a85642f29c7@googlegroups.com> <47666b9a-5ea7-4f43-b5c4-b72399ba47bb@googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 16:30:58 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: New soi's scope From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5b1f572b8f05043370da X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --bcaec53d5b1f572b8f05043370da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2014-09-29 16:18 GMT+04:00 And Rosta : > As an academic I know that at a stage when you're thrashing ideas around > exploratorily it would be exhausting and unreasonable to expect > interlocutors to make that discussion intelligible to those who aren't > already able to understand it. Once you get to the publication stage, you > set yourselves much higher standards of perspicuity, but you're still > entitled to assume a certain level of prior knowledge from your readers. > Not every academic publication is a beginners' textbook. > This only resulted in others wasting their hours in trying to understand what was meant in those discussions. One could instead write an explanation. This almost never happened. Academic publications imply institutions where those subjects are taught. In Lojban no textbook can help you [by far]. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --bcaec53d5b1f572b8f05043370da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= 2014-09-29 16:18 GMT+04:00 And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>= :

As an academic I know th= at at a stage when you're thrashing ideas around exploratorily it would= be exhausting and unreasonable to expect interlocutors to make that discus= sion intelligible to those who aren't already able to understand it. On= ce you get to the publication stage, you set yourselves much higher standar= ds of perspicuity, but you're still entitled to assume a certain level = of prior knowledge from your readers. Not every academic publication is a b= eginners' textbook.

This only resulted i= n others wasting their hours in trying to understand what was meant in thos= e discussions. One could instead write an explanation. This almost never ha= ppened.

Academic publications imply institutions where those subjects are taught.=
In Lojban no textbook can help you [by far= ].

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