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Ze'a.  Typing on an iPad Iis not easy and editing even worse.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 29, 2014, at 0:08, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

> zs'a?=20
>=20
> stevo
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:27 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <lojban@go=
oglegroups.com> wrote:
> I am awandering,,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even ass=
uming I am missing pieces, things don't seem to add up. There are two or th=
ree threads that seem to be related and that don't gel. The program that is=
 to get to the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly unrelated=
 (and much more complex) than the originals.  Apparently this comes from un=
packing thins that are logically OK as they stand (the occurrence of {srana=
} seems a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the obvious invalidity of=
 most "translations" of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This nuttiness then leads usi=
ng things like {voi}, which have no use outsider misunderstanding {le}. And=
 that then carries over other uses of other words in the same category, mai=
nly uses that should never have arisen -- and probably wouldn't have aside =
from the definitions.  Folks, this is a logical language; use the logic rat=
her than fighting it.  {le broda} is a purely denotative term and so has no=
 relation to brodas and ao {voi} has no role to play. Neither {zs'a} nor KO=
hA can be used as a basis for a free standing definition since thy are both=
 meaningless and referenceless.
> Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes).
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Ze'a. &nbsp;Typing on an =
iPad Iis not easy and editing even worse.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><di=
v><br>On Sep 29, 2014, at 0:08, MorphemeAddict &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytles=
w@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><bloc=
kquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" sty=
le=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">zs'a?&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><b=
r></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:27 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@=
googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I =
am awandering,,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even assumin=
g I am missing pieces, things don't seem to add up. There are two or three =
threads that seem to be related and that don't gel. The program that is to =
get to the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly unrelated (an=
d much more complex) than the originals.&nbsp; Apparently this comes from u=
npacking thins that are logically OK as they stand (the occurrence of {sran=
a} seems a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the obvious invalidity o=
f most "translations" of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This nuttiness then leads us=
ing things like {voi}, which have no use outsider misunderstanding {le}. An=
d that then carries over other uses of other words in the same category, ma=
inly uses that should never have arisen -- and probably wouldn't have aside=
 from the definitions.&nbsp; Folks, this is a logical language; use the log=
ic rather than fighting it.&nbsp; {le broda} is a purely denotative term an=
d so has no relation to brodas and ao {voi} has no role to play. Neither {z=
s'a} nor KOhA can be used as a basis for a free standing definition since t=
hy are both meaningless and referenceless.<br>
Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes).<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
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