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And I probably meant zo'e anyhow.  No resources on trip.

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On Sep 29, 2014, at 0:08, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

> zs'a?=20
>=20
> stevo
>=20
>=20
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 4:27 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <lojban@go=
oglegroups.com> wrote:
> I am awandering,,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even ass=
uming I am missing pieces, things don't seem to add up. There are two or th=
ree threads that seem to be related and that don't gel. The program that is=
 to get to the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly unrelated=
 (and much more complex) than the originals.  Apparently this comes from un=
packing thins that are logically OK as they stand (the occurrence of {srana=
} seems a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the obvious invalidity of=
 most "translations" of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This nuttiness then leads usi=
ng things like {voi}, which have no use outsider misunderstanding {le}. And=
 that then carries over other uses of other words in the same category, mai=
nly uses that should never have arisen -- and probably wouldn't have aside =
from the definitions.  Folks, this is a logical language; use the logic rat=
her than fighting it.  {le broda} is a purely denotative term and so has no=
 relation to brodas and ao {voi} has no role to play. Neither {zs'a} nor KO=
hA can be used as a basis for a free standing definition since thy are both=
 meaningless and referenceless.
> Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes).
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>And I probably meant zo'e=
 anyhow. &nbsp;No resources on trip.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br=
>On Sep 29, 2014, at 0:08, MorphemeAddict &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gma=
il.com">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-family:courier new,monospace">zs'a?&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">stevo</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"><br></d=
iv></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, =
Sep 28, 2014 at 4:27 PM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googl=
egroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am aw=
andering,,so my contacts are sporadic and unreliable, but even assuming I a=
m missing pieces, things don't seem to add up. There are two or three threa=
ds that seem to be related and that don't gel. The program that is to get t=
o the logical forms of sentences get to things seemingly unrelated (and muc=
h more complex) than the originals.&nbsp; Apparently this comes from unpack=
ing thins that are logically OK as they stand (the occurrence of {srana} se=
ems a giveaway. (I refrain from my rant about the obvious invalidity of mos=
t "translations" of, e.g. {le} phrases.). This nuttiness then leads using t=
hings like {voi}, which have no use outsider misunderstanding {le}. And tha=
t then carries over other uses of other words in the same category, mainly =
uses that should never have arisen -- and probably wouldn't have aside from=
 the definitions.&nbsp; Folks, this is a logical language; use the logic ra=
ther than fighting it.&nbsp; {le broda} is a purely denotative term and so =
has no relation to brodas and ao {voi} has no role to play. Neither {zs'a} =
nor KOhA can be used as a basis for a free standing definition since thy ar=
e both meaningless and referenceless.<br>
Etc. (losing wifi in 2 minutes).<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<br>
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