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On Monday, September 29, 2014 11:32:58 AM UTC-4, Ilmen wrote:
>
>
> =20
> {poi'i} is a NU abstractor, therefore a poi'i phrase has the form {poi'i=
=20
> [bridi] (kei)}, and behaves as a selbri. Thus it has a syntax different=
=20
> from that of {poi}.
>
> As for its meaning:
> =E2=80=A2 fo'a *poi'i* (ke'a) broda (kei) =3D =C2=AB fo'a *is such that* =
[=20
> it/him/he/they brodas ] =C2=BB =3D fo'a broda
>
> So it's a kind of syntactic sugar, it helps having more word order=20
> freedom. The ke'a within the bridi enclosed by poi'i-kei binds to (stands=
=20
> for) the x1 of the selbri created by poi'i-kei. {poi'i} parallels the=20
> English construction "X is such that ... it ..."
>
>
> Here are a few examples coming from the new-voi page=20
> <http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3Dnew_voi>:
>
> =E2=80=A2 =C2=AB la .pam. cu melbi gi'e *poi'i** so'i da nelci (ke'a) (ke=
i)* =C2=BB =3D =C2=AB la=20
> .pam. cu melbi gi'e se nelci so'i da =C2=BB
> > "*Pam is beautiful and is such that many like her.*" =3D "*Pam is=20
> beautiful and is liked by many.*"
>
> ( here, {poi'i so'i da nelci ke'a (kei)}, underlined in the example, is a=
=20
> predicate which means "x1 is such that many things like x1". )
>
> =E2=80=A2 =C2=AB la. pit. cu stati gi'e *poi'i so'i da manci lo nu ke'a d=
ansu* =C2=BB =3D =C2=AB=20
> la. pit. cu stati .ije so'i da manci lo nu la .pit. cu dansu =C2=BB
> > "*Pete is talented and (is such that) many are amazed by his dancing*"
>
> =E2=80=A2 =C2=AB mi kecti lo *poi'i ke'a jinvi lo du'u ke'a to'e melbi* =
=C2=BB
> > "*I feel sorry for the-thing(s)-which is/are-such-that it/they think=20
> that it/they are the-opposite-of-beautiful.*"
> > "*I feel sorry for those who think that they aren't beautiful.*"
>
>
Thank you, Ilmen! Blessings and many Karma points for your troubles.

So basically it is a way to define a new selbri on the fly. Is that about=
=20
the short of it?


P.S. Someone should post this info to the wiki page.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Monday, September 29, 2014 11:32:58 AM UTC-4, I=
lmen wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left=
: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">
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  <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    {poi'i} is a NU abstractor, therefore a poi'i phrase has the form
    {poi'i [bridi] (kei)}, and behaves as a selbri. Thus it has a syntax
    different from that of {poi}.<br>
    <br>
    As for its meaning:<br>
    =E2=80=A2 fo'a <b>poi'i</b> (ke'a) broda (kei) =3D =C2=AB fo'a <b>is su=
ch that</b>
    [ it/him/he/they brodas ] =C2=BB =3D fo'a broda<br>
    <br>
    So it's a kind of syntactic sugar, it helps having more word order
    freedom. The ke'a within the bridi enclosed by poi'i-kei binds to
    (stands for) the x1 of the selbri created by poi'i-kei. {poi'i}
    parallels the English construction "X is such that ... it ..."<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Here are a few examples coming from <a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/ind=
ex.php?title=3Dnew_voi" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http:=
//www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3Dn=
ew_voi\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFEs8Xs7dRShX-YguZcsnXHG9LqhA';ret=
urn true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F=
%2Fmw.lojban.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3Dnew_voi\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\7=
5AFQjCNFEs8Xs7dRShX-YguZcsnXHG9LqhA';return true;">the new-voi
      page</a>:<br>
    <br>
    =E2=80=A2 =C2=AB la .pam. cu melbi gi'e <u><b>poi'i</b></u><u> so'i da =
nelci
      (ke'a) (kei)</u> =C2=BB =3D =C2=AB la .pam. cu melbi gi'e se nelci so=
'i da =C2=BB<br>
    &gt; "<i>Pam is beautiful and <u><b>is such that</b></u><u> many
        like </u><u>her</u>.</i>" =3D "<i>Pam is beautiful and is liked
      by many.</i>"<br>
    <br>
    ( here, {poi'i so'i da nelci ke'a (kei)}, underlined in the example,
    is a predicate which means "x1 is such that many things like x1". )<br>
    <br>
    =E2=80=A2 =C2=AB la. pit. cu stati gi'e <u>poi'i so'i da manci lo nu ke=
'a dansu</u>
    =C2=BB =3D =C2=AB la. pit. cu stati .ije so'i da manci lo nu la .pit. c=
u dansu =C2=BB<br>
    &gt; "<i>Pete is talented and <u>(</u><u><b>is such that</b></u><u>)
        many are amazed by his dancing</u></i>"<br>
    <br>
    =E2=80=A2 =C2=AB mi kecti lo <u><b>poi'i</b> ke'a jinvi lo du'u ke'a to=
'e melbi</u>
    =C2=BB<br>
    &gt; "<i>I feel sorry for the-thing(s)-which <u><b>is/are-such-that</b>=
</u><u>
        it/they think that it/they are the-opposite-of-beautiful</u>.</i>"<=
br>
    &gt; "<i>I feel sorry for those who think that they aren't
      beautiful.</i>"<br>
    <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thank you, Ilmen! Blessings =
and many Karma points for your troubles.</div><div><br></div><div>So basica=
lly it is a way to define a new selbri on the fly. Is that about the short =
of it?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>P.S. Someone should post thi=
s info to the wiki page.<br></div></div>

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