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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:42 +0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {le} as an anaphorical particle
From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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References expand to outside of the text.
Without the context {le} turns into {lo} but using that would be silly.
What does "He turned around" means without context?
It must be either in the previous/current utterance or in the
previous/current context/situation.

2014-09-30 21:54 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:25:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki wrote:
>>
>> It is in no way a proposal but just a thought mildly based on former usage
>>
>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=%27%27%27le%27%27%
>> 27_as_an_anaphorical_particle
>>
>> For other proposals regarding {le} with full explanations add here:
>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=le
>>
>
> If one mentions something that is not in any previous utterance, does
> "look up" fall back to context? And beyond that if there is no clear
> referent, then is the thing presupposed? To clarify, if I said out of the
> blue, "le xirma cu bajra", do you just presuppose some horse exists?
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<div dir=3D"ltr">References expand to outside of the text.<div>Without the =
context {le} turns into {lo} but using that would be silly.</div><div>What =
does &quot;He turned around&quot; means without context?</div><div>It must =
be either in the previous/current utterance or in the previous/current cont=
ext/situation.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmai=
l_quote">2014-09-30 21:54 GMT+04:00 TR NS <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:transfire@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">transfire@gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=
=3D"h5"><br><br>On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:25:19 AM UTC-4, la gleki w=
rote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It is in no w=
ay a proposal but just a thought mildly based on former usage<div><br></div=
><div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3D%27%27%27le%27%27%2=
7_as_an_anaphorical_particle" target=3D"_blank">http://mw.lojban.org/index.=
<u></u>php?title=3D%27%27%27le%27%27%<u></u>27_as_an_anaphorical_particle</=
a><br></div><div><br></div><div>For other proposals regarding {le} with ful=
l explanations add here:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?tit=
le=3Dle" target=3D"_blank">http://mw.lojban.org/<u></u>index.php?title=3Dle=
</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>If one mention=
s something that is not in any previous utterance, does &quot;look up&quot;=
 fall back to context? And beyond that if there is no clear referent, then =
is the thing presupposed? To clarify, if I said out of the blue, &quot;le x=
irma cu bajra&quot;, do you just presuppose some horse exists?</div><div><b=
r></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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