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Subject: Re: [lojban] {le} as an anaphorical particle
From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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2014-09-30 19:30 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>:

>
>
> 2014-09-30 17:46 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <
>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It is in no way a proposal but just a thought mildly based on former
>>> usage
>>>
>>>
>>> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3D%27%27%27le%27%27%27_as_an_anaph=
orical_particle
>>>
>>
>> Why "ka'e"? In:
>>
>>   la djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le cusku cu gleki
>>
>> do you want "le cusku" to refer to la meris, since la meris ka'e cusku?
>>
> lo nu pilno lo misno rarbau would tell me that probably selbri should hav=
e
> precedence over sumti. but the proposal is not yet fully formalised. if y=
ou
> have any thoughts to complete it please do.
>

Forgot to add about {ka'e}. Well, yes. Probably {ca'a/pu'i} might be more
relevant here. I meant {ka'e} to refer to semantic inclusion of SELBRI in
{le SELBRI} into another selbri in the context or in the current/previous
text.
Consider

{la djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le bacru cu gleki}

Would {bacru} refer to {cusku}?

Clearly, those are edge cases since the most common usage of {le} would be
{le fetsi} for "she" and similar.


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>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">2014-09-30 19:30 GMT+04:00 Gleki Arxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@g=
mail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,20=
4);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span class=3D"">2014-09-3=
0 17:46 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style=
:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span>On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:25 AM, Gleki A=
rxokuna <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">It is in no way a proposal but just a thought=
 mildly based on former usage<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojba=
n.org/index.php?title=3D%27%27%27le%27%27%27_as_an_anaphorical_particle" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://mw.lojban.org/index.php?title=3D%27%27%27le%27%27%27=
_as_an_anaphorical_particle</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></sp=
an><div>Why &quot;ka&#39;e&quot;? In:</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 la dj=
an cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le cusku cu gleki</div><div><br></div><div>d=
o you want &quot;le cusku&quot; to refer to la meris, since la meris ka&#39=
;e cusku?</div></div></div></div></blockquote></span><div>lo nu pilno lo mi=
sno rarbau would tell me that probably selbri should have precedence over s=
umti. but the proposal is not yet fully formalised. if you have any thought=
s to complete it please do.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>Forgot to add about {ka&#39;e}. Well, yes. Probably {ca&#39;a/pu&#=
39;i} might be more relevant here. I meant {ka&#39;e} to refer to semantic =
inclusion of SELBRI in {le SELBRI} into another selbri in the context or in=
 the current/previous text.</div><div>Consider</div><div><br></div><div>{la=
 djan cu cusku zo coi la meris .i le bacru cu gleki}<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Would {bacru} refer to {cusku}?</div><div><br></div><div>Clearly, th=
ose are edge cases since the most common usage of {le} would be {le fetsi} =
for &quot;she&quot; and similar.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><span cla=
ss=3D""><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);bo=
rder-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e x=
orxes</div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</div></fon=
t></span></div></div></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">

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