Received: from mail-pd0-f191.google.com ([209.85.192.191]:39875) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XZFP4-0003Ci-07 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:59 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f191.google.com with SMTP id fp1sf53409pdb.18 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4299VDaB67GtJATyAXfGxnWPjMwCUvami4k8Om1kD7A=; b=ylknUdniTxBMEY2UPO2mwPzLgnYNAvFDTMOQHrthLoO42NecRgKFST4s4bxwYkvR8X vZKRJ2X2gHIMVpwhFbKTRLZLCJWP/4JqyrWH1LunR/1HEK4voHiBzTMZD84pCYDaxPwO 9x8ziLcpDNm8JCdCyRlRsQfcX1IjV8Nbe780/3fAqwleUO8cnyPyZwgUU65jw4+7z42a DcCALAM0IrJk9PpcgseWmB7alkO7jhVvqOeptaZfKmGAI3Lm2zjcuduMd2Ntxbh7KMf8 7/FzlZj8A73DV4UKwgceBwVlaFKrU7JjYQduxKd4dLBbq+5mgRr69xB80PsvUt8PGx02 9TKg== X-Received: by 10.50.43.196 with SMTP id y4mr203912igl.13.1412152607660; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.79.194 with SMTP id l2ls3502345igx.31.canary; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.101.204 with SMTP id f12mr39498549ico.22.1412152607379; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qa0-x232.google.com (mail-qa0-x232.google.com [2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t6si53925qcd.0.2014.10.01.01.36.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232; Received: by mail-qa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id w8so185217qac.23 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.19.142 with SMTP id 14mr28154928qgh.28.1412152606309; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 01:36:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.220.199 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 01:36:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8362791c-ebc0-43b9-8f7e-edd00df6863b@googlegroups.com> <1446837.y4bmfOt5R9@caracal> <1583991.uF4rYsj3bP@caracal> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 04:36:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How technical are gismu? To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400d:c00::232 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134f3e677c4f605045866b0 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1134f3e677c4f605045866b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 No, the long 'square' would be a non-square rectangle. Rectangles have four equal (90 degree) angles, regardless of length of the sides. If the sides happen to all be the same length, then the rectangle is also a square. stevo On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Romaji #### wrote: > Ah. So a square is a kind of "long square". got it. > Still not ready to formulate that first sentence yet. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 20:57:15 Romaji #### wrote: >> > Uh... I don't believe I'm ready to translate that. >> > I'm only beginning. >> > Also, why say it's a long square/rectangle, when the dimensions are >> > arbitrary, so it might be tall, or it might be even a square? >> >> {clani} covers both "tall" and "long". {clakurfa}, which has only a >> noralujv >> definition, is glossed as "rectangle". Rectangles include squares, in >> mathematical terminology, and I see no need to change that when talking >> about >> math in Lojban. >> >> Pierre >> -- >> sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/Skj96x290Cw/unsubscribe. >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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No, the long 'square' would be a non-square rectangl= e. Rectangles have four equal (90 degree) angles, regardless of length of t= he sides. If the sides happen to all be the same length, then the rectangle= is also a square.=C2=A0

stevo

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Romaj= i #### <nxt101@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah. So a square is a kind of "long square"= . got it.
Still not ready to formulate that first sentence yet.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Pierre Abbat <<= a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org= > wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 20:57:15 Romaji #### wrote:
> Uh... I don't believe I'm ready to translate that.
> I'm only beginning.
> Also, why say it's a long square/rectangle, when the dimensions ar= e
> arbitrary, so it might be tall, or it might be even a square?

{clani} covers both "tall" and "long". {clakurfa= }, which has only a noralujv
definition, is glossed as "rectangle". Rectangles include squares= , in
mathematical terminology, and I see no need to change that when talking abo= ut
math in Lojban.

Pierre
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