Received: from mail-qg0-f57.google.com ([209.85.192.57]:64134) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XZJyu-0007ai-4a for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:17 -0700 Received: by mail-qg0-f57.google.com with SMTP id z107sf112465qgd.12 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=llFAvYeR5GTGjXyU53kWIY+SfFJGXlNMGx6QfbuUFuc=; b=fPcoQH3fRTSCjRZYHQPlM/Y3kIXQdB7bRuCKzEbXcPdEPMCBGJXIN26JRsFK6rsU7E oXIEvWeZvmo7N+yh6HcbVVDiZCy+ofjXeijyxxSYGMnQJLaBbuv+/eR2tg9R+om7Tq1m yjDwSBdGqAm7AX+PDym+R3FBiXIcZxPNyWx4ry1bD7s3ml/GtQleEpJqXs5+KzctXFhT hopHoBStOFHFV+8mkRTKtLHwD94hARGi7qO7QWoXzwJPGXND65rKSSZygv2nvOlZQl6Y YKnG7jtWzf8HoHKYCs0v0utIxtKxMPVMFqBTOShsO0Np4O0LBZSPONemT/M7CfTom9PU bkeA== X-Received: by 10.50.79.201 with SMTP id l9mr221511igx.11.1412170205510; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.17.71 with SMTP id m7ls994669igd.5.gmail; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.142.229 with SMTP id rz5mr45828564pab.17.1412170205063; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3si21676vda.0.2014.10.01.06.30.05 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nxt101@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236; Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id la4so221765vcb.27 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.1.69 with SMTP id 5mr499028vdk.86.1412170204900; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 06:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.138.137 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 06:30:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8362791c-ebc0-43b9-8f7e-edd00df6863b@googlegroups.com> <1446837.y4bmfOt5R9@caracal> <1583991.uF4rYsj3bP@caracal> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How technical are gismu? From: "Romaji ####" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nxt101@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nxt101@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nxt101@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302ef5586cf4f805045c7fbc X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --20cf302ef5586cf4f805045c7fbc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The question I had was if {clakurfa} covered the case where the rectangle is actually a square. Does what you said mean that I am right to think that? On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:36 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > No, the long 'square' would be a non-square rectangle. Rectangles have > four equal (90 degree) angles, regardless of length of the sides. If the > sides happen to all be the same length, then the rectangle is also a > square. > > stevo > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Romaji #### wrote: > >> Ah. So a square is a kind of "long square". got it. >> Still not ready to formulate that first sentence yet. >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 20:57:15 Romaji #### wrote: >>> > Uh... I don't believe I'm ready to translate that. >>> > I'm only beginning. >>> > Also, why say it's a long square/rectangle, when the dimensions are >>> > arbitrary, so it might be tall, or it might be even a square? >>> >>> {clani} covers both "tall" and "long". {clakurfa}, which has only a >>> noralujv >>> definition, is glossed as "rectangle". Rectangles include squares, in >>> mathematical terminology, and I see no need to change that when talking >>> about >>> math in Lojban. >>> >>> Pierre >>> -- >>> sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/Skj96x290Cw/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/Skj96x290Cw/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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The question I had was if {Does what you said mean t= hat I am right to think that?
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On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:36 AM, MorphemeAddi= ct <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
No, the long 'square' would be a non-square rect= angle. Rectangles have four equal (90 degree) angles, regardless of length = of the sides. If the sides happen to all be the same length, then the recta= ngle is also a square.=C2=A0

stevo

On Tue, Sep = 30, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Romaji #### <nxt101@gmail.com> wrote:
Ah. So a square is a kind of "long square". got it.Still not ready to formulate that first sentence yet.

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014= at 9:48 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 201= 4 20:57:15 Romaji #### wrote:
> Uh... I don't believe I'm ready to translate that.
> I'm only beginning.
> Also, why say it's a long square/rectangle, when the dimensions ar= e
> arbitrary, so it might be tall, or it might be even a square?

{clani} covers both "tall" and "long". {clakurfa= }, which has only a noralujv
definition, is glossed as "rectangle". Rectangles include squares= , in
mathematical terminology, and I see no need to change that when talking abo= ut
math in Lojban.

Pierre
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