Received: from mail-vc0-f183.google.com ([209.85.220.183]:33413) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XZLjn-0001Z0-Bm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:55 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f183.google.com with SMTP id la4sf145306vcb.10 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:user-agent :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NYYAHi29iiB9YY5HnJY1XEs974Bhq2t+oWXLlRIEs0c=; b=x5c97S1lMM4/KJyjFCyZxAmSjTOaFBvl/AyePhumIKXkGucX50U3wGvaA2f+IzZ0QB TpFHS1klz/LiduoBPX1wAANBBYgfhCaL8GUYp44Ck/atE79rJN2jLeKQ2NFfmkM3vRet fod4oy9HRfG0pjGKI7geB8e7KBuoQOA9M1IWjTXFFxvbM2OSxIWvoZB0vSwrwrenDJ1N sJRoDhOIywQs1+3DsyyJ77Wrc8PxV4KEGmPwOwEuc7+J0z2U+tItrqn6+exOX9T0ii/D gwOXjEEA62QUcMEwAkmcwuvuLane6N7IULCz3VlB70JyBzxVt5W+ok7i7aKpWDXSU37c 6nxw== X-Received: by 10.140.92.226 with SMTP id b89mr6844qge.33.1412176956570; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.89.101 with SMTP id u92ls487117qgd.79.gmail; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.186.72 with SMTP id fi8mr45967809vdc.3.1412176956237; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x22c.google.com (mail-yk0-x22c.google.com [2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e24si49886yhe.3.2014.10.01.08.22.36 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of alexkoz@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c; Received: by mail-yk0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id 19so190277ykq.31 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.43.112 with SMTP id k76mr18198090yhb.151.1412176956005; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.159.78] (74-92-251-142-Tallahassee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net. [74.92.251.142]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 26sm539845yhf.4.2014.10.01.08.22.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Kozhevnikov To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL: I'd like to drop the formal grammars. In-Reply-To: <20141001075910.GU14210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: References: <20141001075910.GU14210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LN8 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: alexkoz@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of alexkoz@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=alexkoz@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - On Wed, 1 Oct 2014, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > In the age of ubiquitous internet, I feel that the entire Formal > Grammars chapter simply doesn't belong in a printed book. s/ubiquitous/ubiquitous for some large portions of society but definitely not all, and not everywhere, and often obscenely throttled or otherwise limited for many/ ^ I think that is more representative of the truth. I don't have an opinion about removing or keeping the chapter one way or the other at this time (insufficient experience in using the CLL to learn so far), but I hope that the above is kept in mind either way. There are still plenty of people even in developed countries like the US who might have access to a book, but not to internet (at least not at the time when they might want to look it up, and not internet that isn't too expensive or slow to justify looking up and downloading the grammar). Regards, mu'o mi'e .aleksandr.kojevnikov. do'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.