Received: from mail-vc0-f190.google.com ([209.85.220.190]:50602) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XZN5l-0004AK-2L for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:49:32 -0700 Received: by mail-vc0-f190.google.com with SMTP id id10sf18103vcb.7 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:49:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1aqucBXAS93x7WoSciVOpOjEd0Mv1cuig0GiAhtxopg=; b=ZM8jrGu3F25GuVVtYKwGft7rvT39XVgvldtwdOGGUyhaG9A2GEhD/1fznEQ3vBvwfN if5IaeDXWRzkAr3qGULDhSSsW6RQppWREfMKKAWtWkgUJ1kC1JMdAB9lbKG3kWd0CGOG D5UBaeVlj/15oIeeWLbICgMtGvrmLJGxaSzATlV+oNIMoZimBqQmrbGAfqfGzUJNkqw1 ZErYpJE3Ls9jJvB/7HLb3F+MsbbOxXc4xzOH4f5g6m37AbIJdAZ/em69IN2GnkimRbzN a9qZueeswCmhixyVVe2enWKbfjpsbOx6NGrP9KKRSHWIFM87PikpxAZ81w/RMq3U49OA RN2w== X-Received: by 10.182.165.8 with SMTP id yu8mr21563obb.9.1412181642675; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.225.226 with SMTP id rn2ls243475obc.67.gmail; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.213.104 with SMTP id nr8mr8907078obc.1.1412181642246; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s5si181033igm.1.2014.10.01.09.40.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234; Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id va2so634084obc.39 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.93.165 with SMTP id cv5mr943654oeb.17.1412181641424; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.94.106 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.94.106 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20141001075910.GU14210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL: I'd like to drop the formal grammars. From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33d55819042005045f2911 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --047d7b33d55819042005045f2911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The book is commonly used as a tool by nintadni, for whom the formal grammars aren't helpful in the last - but pe'i the existence of a formal grammar is part of what makes Lojban Lojban, and the primary purpose of the CLL is to be a reference grammar. I like the suggestion of keeping only the shorter of the two, and updating to the PEG in v2.0, but i ultimately see the English text as an explanation of and supplement to the formal grammar rather than vice versa. - mi'e .kreig. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --047d7b33d55819042005045f2911 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The book is commonly used as a tool by nintadni, for whom th= e formal grammars aren't helpful in the last - but pe'i the existen= ce of a formal grammar is part of what makes Lojban Lojban, and the primary= purpose of the CLL is to be a reference grammar. I like the suggestion of = keeping only the shorter of the two, and updating to the PEG in v2.0, but i= ultimately see the English text as an explanation of and supplement to the= formal grammar rather than vice versa.

- mi'e .kreig.

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