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On 10/1/2014 12:40 PM, Craig Daniel wrote:
> The book is commonly used as a tool by nintadni, for whom the formal
> grammars aren't helpful in the last - but pe'i the existence of a formal
> grammar is part of what makes Lojban Lojban, and the primary purpose of
> the CLL is to be a reference grammar. I like the suggestion of keeping
> only the shorter of the two, and updating to the PEG in v2.0, but i
> ultimately see the English text as an explanation of and supplement to
> the formal grammar rather than vice versa.

I hate to disagree, but I learned Lojban grammar by writing the YACC 
grammar, and I have used it as a reference pretty much ever since.  I do 
not find the EBNF useful, because in the interest of conciseness, it has 
fairly complex structures on the right side; I get lost trying to take 
apart a construct.  The YACC typically adds one piece at a time, 
possibly with a terminator, and for some reason, the simplicity of each 
step has always meant that it has been easy for me to understand.

(We included both in CLL because some found the EBNF easier to 
understand, whereas others found the YACC easier.  Neither Nora nor I 
have any clue how to use a PEG grammar.  But if we had had one, we 
probably would have included it too).

lojbab

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