Received: from mail-qc0-f184.google.com ([209.85.216.184]:34761) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XZX0Q-0005Zl-Al for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:24:43 -0700 Received: by mail-qc0-f184.google.com with SMTP id i8sf128375qcq.11 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=yvHT5kOiN6K8uV0/HsEzsip+jIWUmcHgw7Du5VCx5k4=; b=m6AXIqIwEXO/Gi+G3NgXThrV636/g4FPfv60y5Ja5XaZnMh42xPy7TxPkQavvNPj5G JPFKk5cLyPD5HLo7kHl+oVCPzHN+A6KK5SnFebIZjUqo99WeFGnirXe84TrSbZcnYMAF lUJP/1HV/Z+bsfDlCO7gCZxdjj/N2hxUJKhGRMtmiAm/ZVsiTHlQ4vDsfnq2HhKjCNhQ SdeJuGgLnrRPxo+vSV71zSQGa5DbGA+Qx+EZ7WbaEIvHmbkCqHfCLoJVrNdfZyKVv0Oz 5WwoMVmrLitfK/0/h/X3lv2Y0eD55FlRignKcBVX6s6ExT1ykGRKKBMkVUemJfEPdS7l vGHw== X-Received: by 10.140.39.39 with SMTP id u36mr74653qgu.8.1412220271716; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.36.227 with SMTP id p90ls7778qgp.94.gmail; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.80.210 with SMTP id c76mr37029qgd.18.1412220271404; Wed, 01 Oct 2014 20:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 20:24:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Spacenut To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20141001075910.GU14210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20141001075910.GU14210@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: [lojban] Re: CLL: I'd like to drop the formal grammars. MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: matthew@igregoire.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4731_1002757333.1412220270507" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - ------=_Part_4731_1002757333.1412220270507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 As a layperson, not knowing anything about the formal grammar, I say we absolutely should keep it in there. Though it may be of no use to me, The Complete Lojban Language is not complete without the full grammar. Also, as a less technical and more psychological argument, it reinforces the idea that Lojban is 100% syntactically unambiguous to people who don't know anything about the parser. The fact that it can be interpreted (don't know if that's the right word there) by a computer is one of the reasons why I'm learning Lojban, and having tangible evidence of that is pretty powerful. On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:59:12 AM UTC-4, Robin Powell wrote: > > > In the age of ubiquitous internet, I feel that the entire Formal > Grammars chapter simply doesn't belong in a printed book. > > Does anyone disagree? > > -- > http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. ------=_Part_4731_1002757333.1412220270507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As a layperson, not knowing anything about the formal gram= mar, I say we absolutely should keep it in there. Though it may be of no us= e to me, The Complete Lojban Language is not complete without the full gram= mar. Also, as a less technical and more psychological argument, it reinforc= es the idea that Lojban is 100% syntactically unambiguous to people who don= 't know anything about the parser. The fact that it can be interpreted (don= 't know if that's the right word there) by a computer is one of the reasons= why I'm learning Lojban, and having tangible evidence of that is pretty po= werful.

On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:59:12 AM UTC-4, Robin Powell= wrote:

In the age of ubiquitous internet, I feel that the entire Formal
Grammars chapter simply doesn't belong in a printed book.

Does anyone disagree?

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http://intelligence.org/ :  Our last, best hop= e for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn= i li'u

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