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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: CLL: I'd like to drop the formal grammars.
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I don't have much of an opinion since I prefer the PEG and obviously that's=
 not going in this edition, but surely Lojban is still confirmed as machine=
-parseable by the inclusion of one and not both grammars. And I don't mean =
to deny the usefulness of the YACC grammar to Bob, but I'll point out that =
the fact that it was pedagogically useful to _write_ doesn't necessarily im=
ply that it's pedagogically useful for others to _read_ %^)

mu'o mi'e la durka=20


On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Spacenut wrote:

> As a layperson, not knowing anything about the formal grammar, I say we a=
bsolutely should keep it in there. Though it may be of no use to me, The Co=
mplete Lojban Language is not complete without the full grammar. Also, as a=
 less technical and more psychological argument, it reinforces the idea tha=
t Lojban is 100% syntactically unambiguous to people who don't know anythin=
g about the parser. The fact that it can be interpreted (don't know if that=
's the right word there) by a computer is one of the reasons why I'm learni=
ng Lojban, and having tangible evidence of that is pretty powerful.
>=20
> On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:59:12 AM UTC-4, Robin Powell wrote:
> >=20
> > In the age of ubiquitous internet, I feel that the entire Formal=20
> > Grammars chapter simply doesn't belong in a printed book.=20
> >=20
> > Does anyone disagree?=20
> >=20
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                <div>
                    <div>I don't have much of an opinion since I prefer the=
 PEG and obviously that's not going in this edition, but surely Lojban is s=
till confirmed as machine-parseable by the inclusion of one and not both gr=
ammars. And I don't mean to deny the usefulness of the YACC grammar to Bob,=
 but I'll point out that the fact that it was pedagogically useful to _writ=
e_ doesn't necessarily imply that it's pedagogically useful for others to _=
read_ %^)</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e la durka</div>
                </div>
                <div></div>
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                <p style=3D"color: #A0A0A8;">On Wednesday, October 1, 2014 =
at 11:24 PM, Spacenut wrote:</p>
                <blockquote type=3D"cite" style=3D"border-left-style:solid;=
border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;">
                    <span><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">As a layperson, not kn=
owing anything about the formal grammar, I say we absolutely should keep it=
 in there. Though it may be of no use to me, The Complete Lojban Language i=
s not complete without the full grammar. Also, as a less technical and more=
 psychological argument, it reinforces the idea that Lojban is 100% syntact=
ically unambiguous to people who don't know anything about the parser. The =
fact that it can be interpreted (don't know if that's the right word there)=
 by a computer is one of the reasons why I'm learning Lojban, and having ta=
ngible evidence of that is pretty powerful.<br><br>On Wednesday, October 1,=
 2014 3:59:12 AM UTC-4, Robin Powell wrote:<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>
<br>In the age of ubiquitous internet, I feel that the entire Formal
<br>Grammars chapter simply doesn't belong in a printed book.
<br>
<br>Does anyone disagree?
<br>
<br>-- =20
<br><a href=3D"http://intelligence.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://intellige=
nce.org/</a> : &nbsp;Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
<br>.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e
<br>lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
<br>lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn=
i li'u
<br></div></blockquote></div>

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