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fi'i la sorpa'as

Le mardi 30 septembre 2014 17:20:59 UTC+9, sorpa'as plat a =C3=A9crit :
>
> Hi, all! Recently I did a simple translation of the song Ashitaka and San=
.=20
> There must be many grammar mistakes and better ways to express it. Really=
=20
> looking forward to your comments and please help correct it. Great to joi=
n=20
> Lojban community!
>
> ---
>
> *The Lojban version:*
>
> ni'o finti fa la'o py. ma,i py.=20
> .i fanva fa la sorpa'as=20
>
> doi ro lo sipna prenu vu le tumla
>

---pinka---
- {vu le tumla} means "space separation distance of the length of terrain=
=20
that is long," which is a new interpretation agreed by BPFK:=20
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Distance . This is not the=20
original text means.
- Use of {tumla} is {malglico}. The original text does not say whether the=
=20
distant place is a terrain, sea, or sky.
- Use of {ro} is {malglico}. The original text does not say whether the=20
addressed-to is/are all or some, singular or plural.
- Possible alternative:=20
{doi lo prenu noi vu sipna}.=20
------
=20

> .i ri'a lo ka ganlo lo do kanla ku
> do tirna le se cusku lo smaji
>

---pinka---
- This {ku} close {lo do kanla}, but not {lo ka ganlo}, and the second {do}=
=20
is therefore in the {ka} clause as one of the terbri of {ganlo}.
Because the first {lo} structure is not closed, {tirna} is tertau, where=20
the {ka} clause is seltau.
The whole structure does not form bridi:=20
.i [ri'a [lo [ka ganlo lo do kanla ku do] tirna] [le se cusku] [lo smaji]
- =E4=BD=BF=E7=94=A8{smaji}=E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =E5=8E=9F=
=E6=96=87=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4"=E9=9D=99=E7=BE=8E"=E5=8F=AA=E8=AF=B4"=E6=B8=A9=
=E6=9F=94".
- Possible alternative:=20
{.i ga'orgau lo kanla .inaja preja fa lo xendo voksa be de'i zu'i}
------

=20

> .i co'u le nu ka'e xruti le mamta zalvi
> no'u le nu le cimnytei gusni klama le mamta zdani
> cu so'i krici le nu mi'o jmive
>

---pinka---
- I don't know which part of the original text corresponds to {zalvi}. May=
=20
be you wanted {dertu}?
- {so'i krici} forms a sumti, and cannot follow {cu}.
- There is no selbri in the second {nu} clause, and this results in a=20
syntax error.
- {mi'o jmive} =E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87=E8=
=AF=B4"=E5=9C=A8=E4=B8=80=E8=B5=B7",=E4=BD=86=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4=E8=B0=81=E7=
=94=9F=E5=AD=98=E4=B8=8B=E5=8E=BB.
- Use of {klama} is {malglico} and {maljungo}. The original text "=E5=9C=9F=
=E3=81=AB=E3=81=8B=E3=81=88=E3=82=8B"=20
means rather that becomes soil again, based on the idea that living things=
=20
originate in soil, and dead things become again soil.
- Possible alternative:
{.i pe'a lo cimnytei gusni cu za'u re'u co'a dertu
i pu ze'a lo nu lo tumla nu curmi cu tolyli'a ku
sei ko'oi krici se'u nu jmive kansa}
(The original text is enough ambiguous that the last part is interpreted as=
=20
parallel connective as well as imperative. Considering the harmony with the=
=20
next verse "=E3=81=BF=E3=81=82=E3=81=92=E3=81=A6...", I selected an interpr=
etation of imperative. {ko'oi},=20
which means the most general imperative, is an experimental cmavo of=20
selma'o UI; I cannot find any suitable translation without using it.)
------

=20

> .i le pacna be le ka jmive cu se lebna
>

---pinka---
- I don't know which part of the original text corresponds to this=20
sentence. A translation of the part "=E3=81=9D=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6 =E7=94=9F=
=E3=81=BE=E3=82=8C=E3=82=8B=E3=81=A4=E3=82=88=E3=81=95" should be inserted =
here.
- Possible alternative:
{.ije jbena ni tsali}
------

=20

> .i viska le tsani
> .i le prami te jorne do .e mi
> giju mi do sepli
> ni'a le pacna tsani
>
>
---pinka---
- =E8=AF=B4{viska le tsani}=E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =E5=8E=9F=
=E6=96=87=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4"=E5=A4=A9=E7=A9=BA",=E5=8F=AA=E8=AF=B4"=E4=BB=
=B0=E6=9C=9B".
- {le prami te jorne} forms sumti.
- Do you use {giju} as something under an unofficial grammar? Officially=20
{gi} is used with a forethought connective. In any case, it is unclear=20
which structures are connected with {giju} here.
- Use of {mi} and {do} is {malglico} and {maljungo}. The original text does=
=20
not say who or whom.
- =E4=BD=BF=E7=94=A8{ni'a}=E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =E5=8E=9F=
=E6=96=87=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4"=E5=9C=A8...=E4=B9=8B=E4=B8=8B".
- Possible alternative:
{.i sei ko'oi ga'u viska se'u va'o ku'i lo nu darno sepli ku
lo se cinmo gau jorne pamei .i ka prami .i pacna tsani}
(As you thought of {ju}, "A =E3=81=A6=E3=82=82 B" can be translated as {A .=
iseju B} or=20
{segu A gi B}, but it seems to me that the original text says nothing about=
=20
the case of not-A; it's only my feeling, though. I used therefore rather=20
{va'o ku'i}.)
------

=20

> ---
>
> *The original Japanese version*
>
> =E3=81=AF=E3=82=8B=E3=81=8B=E5=BD=BC=E6=96=B9=E3=81=AB =E3=81=AD=E3=82=80=
=E3=82=8B=E4=BA=BA=E3=82=88 =E7=9E=B3=E3=81=A8=E3=81=98=E3=82=8C=E3=81=B0=
=E3=81=B2=E3=82=8D=E3=81=8C=E3=82=8B
> =E3=81=82=E3=81=AE=E6=97=A5=E3=81=AE=E3=82=84=E3=81=95=E3=81=97=E3=81=84=
=E5=A3=B0
>
> =E6=B0=B8=E9=81=A0=E3=81=AE=E5=85=89=E3=81=8C =E5=9C=9F=E3=81=AB=E3=81=8B=
=E3=81=88=E3=82=8B=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=AB
> =E5=A4=A7=E5=9C=B0=E3=81=AE =E3=82=86=E3=82=8B=E3=81=97=E3=81=8C =E3=81=
=A8=E3=81=A9=E3=81=8F=E3=81=BE=E3=81=A7
>
> =E3=81=97=E3=82=93=E3=81=98=E3=81=A6 =E3=81=A8=E3=82=82=E3=81=AB=E7=94=9F=
=E3=81=8D=E3=82=8B=E3=81=93=E3=81=A8
> =E3=81=9D=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6 =E7=94=9F=E3=81=BE=E3=82=8C=E3=82=8B=E3=81=A4=
=E3=82=88=E3=81=95
>
> =E3=81=BF=E3=81=82=E3=81=92=E3=81=A6 =E9=81=A0=E3=81=8F=E3=82=92=E3=81=AF=
=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8C=E3=81=A6=E3=82=82
>

---pinka---
Actually singers don't sing "=E3=82=92" here. Also from a semantic point of=
 view,=20
this "=E3=82=92" should be removed.
------
=20

> =E5=BF=83=E3=82=92=E3=81=B2=E3=81=A8=E3=81=A4=E3=81=AB=E3=82=80=E3=81=99=
=E3=81=B6 =E6=84=9B =E5=B8=8C=E6=9C=9B=E3=81=AE=E3=81=9D=E3=82=89
>
> ---
>
> *The English version from=20
> http://www.blogbus.com/elvenpath-logs/51060958.html=20
> <http://www.blogbus.com/elvenpath-logs/51060958.html>*
>
> Oh, those who sleep in the faraway land
> If you close your eyes, that day's gentle sound spreads
>
> Until you obtain the earth's permission to return [1]
> Like the light of eternity coming home to the soil
>
> Believe and live
> And the strength of life that springs from it
>
> Raise your eyes
> Even if we are rendered far apart
> Our hearts are bound as one
> Love [2]
> The sky of hope
>
> [1] I.e., to die.
> [2] Noun.
>
> ---
>
> *The Chinese version from http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2157783154=20
> <http://tieba.baidu.com/p/2157783154>*
>
> =E9=81=A5=E8=BF=9C=E5=BD=BC=E6=96=B9=E7=9A=84=E6=B2=89=E7=9C=A0=E4=B9=8B=
=E4=BA=BA=E5=95=8A
> =E5=90=88=E4=B8=8A=E5=8F=8C=E7=9C=BC=E4=BE=BF=E5=9B=9E=E8=8D=A1=E8=80=B3=
=E9=99=85
> =E6=98=94=E6=97=A5=E6=B8=A9=E6=9F=94=E9=9D=99=E7=BE=8E=E7=9A=84=E5=A3=B0=
=E5=93=8D
> =E6=B0=B8=E5=AD=98=E4=B9=8B=E5=85=89=E8=8A=92=E5=BD=92=E8=BF=98=E4=BA=8E=
=E5=9C=9F=E5=9C=B0
> =E7=9B=B4=E8=87=B3=E5=B0=86=E5=A4=A7=E5=9C=B0=E7=9A=84=E5=AE=BD=E6=81=95=
=E5=B0=BD=E6=95=B0=E4=BC=A0=E8=BE=BE
> =E6=88=91=E5=9D=9A=E4=BF=A1 =E6=88=91=E4=BB=AC=E5=B0=86=E4=B8=80=E5=90=8C=
=E7=94=9F=E5=AD=98=E4=B8=8B=E5=8E=BB
> =E5=9D=9A=E5=BC=BA=E4=B9=9F=E6=AD=A3=E7=94=B1=E6=AD=A4=E8=80=8C=E7=94=9F
> =E4=BB=B0=E6=9C=9B=E5=A4=A9=E7=A9=BA
> =E5=8D=B3=E4=BD=BF=E5=88=86=E9=9A=94=E4=B8=80=E6=96=B9
> =E5=94=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=88=B1=E5=B0=86=E6=88=91=E4=BB=AC=E7=B3=BB=E4=BA=8E=
=E4=B8=80=E4=BD=93
> =E5=9C=A8=E8=BF=99=E5=B8=8C=E6=9C=9B=E7=9A=84=E5=A4=A9=E7=A9=BA=E4=B9=8B=
=E4=B8=8B
>
> ---
>
> mu'o mi'e la sorpa'as
>

mi'e la guskant mu'o
=20

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<div dir=3D"ltr">fi'i la sorpa'as<br><br>Le mardi 30 septembre 2014 17:20:5=
9 UTC+9, sorpa'as plat a =C3=A9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-=
left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi, all! Recently I did a simple translation o=
f the song Ashitaka and San. There must be many grammar mistakes and better=
 ways to express it. Really looking forward to your comments and please hel=
p correct it. Great to join Lojban community!<br><br>---<br><br><b>The Lojb=
an version:</b><br><br>ni'o finti fa la'o py. ma,i py. <br> .i fanva fa la =
sorpa'as <br><br>doi ro lo sipna prenu vu le tumla<br></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br>---pinka---<br>- {vu le tumla} means "space separation distance of t=
he length of terrain that is long," which is a new interpretation agreed by=
 BPFK: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Distance . This is not th=
e original text means.<br>- Use of {tumla} is {malglico}. The original text=
 does not say whether the distant place is a terrain, sea, or sky.<br>- Use=
 of {ro} is {malglico}. The original text does not say whether the addresse=
d-to is/are all or some, singular or plural.<br>- Possible alternative: <br=
>{doi lo prenu noi vu sipna}. <br>------<br>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"> .i ri'a lo ka ganlo lo do k=
anla ku<br> do tirna le se cusku lo smaji<br></div></blockquote><div><br>--=
-pinka---<br>- This {ku} close {lo do kanla}, but not {lo ka ganlo}, and th=
e second {do} is therefore in the {ka} clause as one of the terbri of {ganl=
o}.<br>Because the first {lo} structure is not closed, {tirna} is tertau, w=
here the {ka} clause is seltau.<br>The whole structure does not form bridi:=
 <br>.i [ri'a [lo [ka ganlo lo do kanla ku do] tirna] [le se cusku] [lo sma=
ji]<br>- =E4=BD=BF=E7=94=A8{smaji}=E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =
=E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4"=E9=9D=99=E7=BE=8E"=E5=8F=AA=E8=AF=B4"=
=E6=B8=A9=E6=9F=94".<br>- Possible alternative: <br>{.i ga'orgau lo kanla .=
inaja preja fa lo xendo voksa be de'i zu'i}<br>------<br><br>&nbsp;</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;borde=
r-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"> .i co'u le nu =
ka'e xruti le mamta zalvi<br> no'u le nu le cimnytei gusni klama le mamta z=
dani<br> cu so'i krici le nu mi'o jmive<br></div></blockquote><div><br>---p=
inka---<br>- I don't know which part of the original text corresponds to {z=
alvi}. May be you wanted {dertu}?<br>- {so'i krici} forms a sumti, and cann=
ot follow {cu}.<br>- There is no selbri in the second {nu} clause, and this=
 results in a syntax error.<br>- {mi'o jmive} =E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{m=
aljungo}. =E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87=E8=AF=B4"=E5=9C=A8=E4=B8=80=E8=B5=B7",=E4=BD=
=86=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4=E8=B0=81=E7=94=9F=E5=AD=98=E4=B8=8B=E5=8E=BB.<br>- Us=
e of {klama} is {malglico} and {maljungo}. The original text "=E5=9C=9F=E3=
=81=AB=E3=81=8B=E3=81=88=E3=82=8B" means rather that becomes soil again, ba=
sed on the idea that living things originate in soil, and dead things becom=
e again soil.<br>- Possible alternative:<br>{.i pe'a lo cimnytei gusni cu z=
a'u re'u co'a dertu<br>i pu ze'a lo nu lo tumla nu curmi cu tolyli'a ku<br>=
sei ko'oi krici se'u nu jmive kansa}<br>(The original text is enough ambigu=
ous that the last part is interpreted as parallel connective as well as imp=
erative. Considering the harmony with the next verse "=E3=81=BF=E3=81=82=E3=
=81=92=E3=81=A6...", I selected an interpretation of imperative. {ko'oi}, w=
hich means the most general imperative, is an experimental cmavo of selma'o=
 UI; I cannot find any suitable translation without using it.)<br>------<br=
><br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margi=
n-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"> .i le pacna be le ka jmive cu se lebna<br></div></blockquote><div><br>=
---pinka---<br>- I don't know which part of the original text corresponds t=
o this sentence. A translation of the part "=E3=81=9D=E3=81=97=E3=81=A6 =E7=
=94=9F=E3=81=BE=E3=82=8C=E3=82=8B=E3=81=A4=E3=82=88=E3=81=95" should be ins=
erted here.<br>- Possible alternative:<br>{.ije jbena ni tsali}<br>------<b=
r><br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;marg=
in-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"> .i viska le tsani<br> .i le prami te jorne do .e mi<br> giju mi do se=
pli<br> ni'a le pacna tsani<br><br></div></blockquote><div><br>---pinka---<=
br>- =E8=AF=B4{viska le tsani}=E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =E5=8E=
=9F=E6=96=87=E4=B8=8D=E8=AF=B4"=E5=A4=A9=E7=A9=BA",=E5=8F=AA=E8=AF=B4"=E4=
=BB=B0=E6=9C=9B".<br>- {le prami te jorne} forms sumti.<br>- Do you use {gi=
ju} as something under an unofficial grammar? Officially {gi} is used with =
a forethought connective. In any case, it is unclear which structures are c=
onnected with {giju} here.<br>- Use of {mi} and {do} is {malglico} and {mal=
jungo}. The original text does not say who or whom.<br>- =E4=BD=BF=E7=94=A8=
{ni'a}=E6=98=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=82=B9{maljungo}. =E5=8E=9F=E6=96=87=E4=B8=8D=E8=
=AF=B4"=E5=9C=A8...=E4=B9=8B=E4=B8=8B".<br>- Possible alternative:<br>{.i s=
ei ko'oi ga'u viska se'u va'o ku'i lo nu darno sepli ku<br>lo se cinmo gau =
jorne pamei .i ka prami .i pacna tsani}<br>(As you thought of {ju}, "A =E3=
=81=A6=E3=82=82 B" can be translated as {A .iseju B} or {segu A gi B}, but =
it seems to me that the original text says nothing about the case of not-A;=
 it's only my feeling, though. I used therefore rather {va'o ku'i}.)<br>---=
---<br><br>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0=
;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">---<br><b><br>The original Japanese version</b><br><br>=E3=81=AF=
=E3=82=8B=E3=81=8B=E5=BD=BC=E6=96=B9=E3=81=AB=E3=80=80=E3=81=AD=E3=82=80=E3=
=82=8B=E4=BA=BA=E3=82=88 =E7=9E=B3=E3=81=A8=E3=81=98=E3=82=8C=E3=81=B0=E3=
=81=B2=E3=82=8D=E3=81=8C=E3=82=8B<br> =E3=81=82=E3=81=AE=E6=97=A5=E3=81=AE=
=E3=82=84=E3=81=95=E3=81=97=E3=81=84=E5=A3=B0<br><br> =E6=B0=B8=E9=81=A0=E3=
=81=AE=E5=85=89=E3=81=8C=E3=80=80=E5=9C=9F=E3=81=AB=E3=81=8B=E3=81=88=E3=82=
=8B=E3=82=88=E3=81=86=E3=81=AB<br> =E5=A4=A7=E5=9C=B0=E3=81=AE=E3=80=80=E3=
=82=86=E3=82=8B=E3=81=97=E3=81=8C=E3=80=80=E3=81=A8=E3=81=A9=E3=81=8F=E3=81=
=BE=E3=81=A7<br><br> =E3=81=97=E3=82=93=E3=81=98=E3=81=A6 =E3=81=A8=E3=82=
=82=E3=81=AB=E7=94=9F=E3=81=8D=E3=82=8B=E3=81=93=E3=81=A8<br> =E3=81=9D=E3=
=81=97=E3=81=A6 =E7=94=9F=E3=81=BE=E3=82=8C=E3=82=8B=E3=81=A4=E3=82=88=E3=
=81=95<br><br> =E3=81=BF=E3=81=82=E3=81=92=E3=81=A6=E3=80=80=E9=81=A0=E3=81=
=8F=E3=82=92=E3=81=AF=E3=81=AA=E3=82=8C=E3=81=A6=E3=82=82<br></div></blockq=
uote><div><br>---pinka---<br>Actually singers don't sing "=E3=82=92" here. =
Also from a semantic point of view, this "=E3=82=92" should be removed.<br>=
------<br>&nbsp;<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"> =E5=BF=83=E3=82=92=E3=81=B2=E3=81=A8=E3=81=A4=E3=81=AB=E3=82=
=80=E3=81=99=E3=81=B6=E3=80=80=E6=84=9B=E3=80=80=E5=B8=8C=E6=9C=9B=E3=81=AE=
=E3=81=9D=E3=82=89<br><br>---<br><br><b>The English version from <a href=3D=
"http://www.blogbus.com/elvenpath-logs/51060958.html" target=3D"_blank" onm=
ousedown=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blo=
gbus.com%2Felvenpath-logs%2F51060958.html\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQj=
CNH9yNdyrgG78l0RgS4salXmFMB0HA';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http:=
//www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogbus.com%2Felvenpath-logs%2F51=
060958.html\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNH9yNdyrgG78l0RgS4salXmFMB0HA=
';return true;">http://www.blogbus.com/<wbr>elvenpath-logs/51060958.html</a=
></b><br><br>Oh, those who sleep in the faraway land<br>If you close your e=
yes, that day's gentle sound spreads<br><br>Until you obtain the earth's pe=
rmission to return [1]<br>Like the light of eternity coming home to the soi=
l<br><br>Believe and live<br>And the strength of life that springs from it<=
br><br>Raise your eyes<br>Even if we are rendered far apart<br>Our hearts a=
re bound as one<br>Love [2]<br>The sky of hope<br><br>[1] I.e., to die.<br>=
[2] Noun.<br><br>---<br><b><br>The Chinese version from <a href=3D"http://t=
ieba.baidu.com/p/2157783154" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'=
http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Ftieba.baidu.com%2Fp%2F2157783154=
\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFTXHJrrkwPLAmuA0pr4VfylvRxMQ';return tr=
ue;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Ftie=
ba.baidu.com%2Fp%2F2157783154\46sa\75D\46sntz\0751\46usg\75AFQjCNFTXHJrrkwP=
LAmuA0pr4VfylvRxMQ';return true;">http://tieba.baidu.com/p/<wbr>2157783154<=
/a></b><br><br>=E9=81=A5=E8=BF=9C=E5=BD=BC=E6=96=B9=E7=9A=84=E6=B2=89=E7=9C=
=A0=E4=B9=8B=E4=BA=BA=E5=95=8A<br>=E5=90=88=E4=B8=8A=E5=8F=8C=E7=9C=BC=E4=
=BE=BF=E5=9B=9E=E8=8D=A1=E8=80=B3=E9=99=85<br>=E6=98=94=E6=97=A5=E6=B8=A9=
=E6=9F=94=E9=9D=99=E7=BE=8E=E7=9A=84=E5=A3=B0=E5=93=8D<br>=E6=B0=B8=E5=AD=
=98=E4=B9=8B=E5=85=89=E8=8A=92=E5=BD=92=E8=BF=98=E4=BA=8E=E5=9C=9F=E5=9C=B0=
<br>=E7=9B=B4=E8=87=B3=E5=B0=86=E5=A4=A7=E5=9C=B0=E7=9A=84=E5=AE=BD=E6=81=
=95=E5=B0=BD=E6=95=B0=E4=BC=A0=E8=BE=BE<br>=E6=88=91=E5=9D=9A=E4=BF=A1 =E6=
=88=91=E4=BB=AC=E5=B0=86=E4=B8=80=E5=90=8C=E7=94=9F=E5=AD=98=E4=B8=8B=E5=8E=
=BB<br>=E5=9D=9A=E5=BC=BA=E4=B9=9F=E6=AD=A3=E7=94=B1=E6=AD=A4=E8=80=8C=E7=
=94=9F<br>=E4=BB=B0=E6=9C=9B=E5=A4=A9=E7=A9=BA<br>=E5=8D=B3=E4=BD=BF=E5=88=
=86=E9=9A=94=E4=B8=80=E6=96=B9<br>=E5=94=AF=E6=9C=89=E7=88=B1=E5=B0=86=E6=
=88=91=E4=BB=AC=E7=B3=BB=E4=BA=8E=E4=B8=80=E4=BD=93<br>=E5=9C=A8=E8=BF=99=
=E5=B8=8C=E6=9C=9B=E7=9A=84=E5=A4=A9=E7=A9=BA=E4=B9=8B=E4=B8=8B<br><br>---<=
br><br>mu'o mi'e la sorpa'as<br></div></blockquote><div><br>mi'e la guskant=
 mu'o<br>&nbsp;<br></div></div>

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