Received: from mail-ob0-f184.google.com ([209.85.214.184]:48343) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XaQAR-0005DR-D1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:18:48 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f184.google.com with SMTP id uz6sf456053obc.11 for ; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:18:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=G6BRo/EpZ9fpWjdplVimtoCeTgW/IA3K6uXFYCXHi40=; b=ydWpqBl4VmeWijLWS+nO1htZhAC4DTYKLlPNAFSibVbLaBG2bMZornu3STOMxQ5Vau OZb+MjDjLXlQdMAZaA7w+7bl5bHFRMvJk+cUhqC5pkuvd3Z9gUjbseaYOAwVgNebPXBS 8WVcpgVPqUs/KEchbSnupOPoq8zEpL7L0yX4lIJoipPHSii0C9fpPFo5LhgjgZxVvl4J oWWchddWjWC0DAgPnbysp4lHM5w/DChZbWo0gbUCNOFdq2XRCqmnby32d3N6WUe6fqGK 5MNOdMEBXJRZS7tgl0E/DQZb/og+Yy/um1yav2eJ4PHkJtq5p7D+211T/YqEBpB/B4vr fsBw== X-Received: by 10.50.30.97 with SMTP id r1mr43364igh.0.1412432313115; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.136.134 with SMTP id qa6ls1600299igb.15.canary; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.227.71 with SMTP id ry7mr8562627pac.13.1412432312808; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.sdf.org. [192.94.73.24]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bj5si482928pdb.1.2014.10.04.07.18.32 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: none (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=192.94.73.24; Received: from thegonz.net (d24-141-9-29.home.cgocable.net [24.141.9.29]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.8/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s94EIEsT020651 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2014 14:18:15 GMT Received: from martin by thegonz.net with local (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XaQ9c-00084e-Fi for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 04 Oct 2014 10:17:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 10:17:48 -0400 From: Martin Bays To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {da poi} (was: Re: tersmu 0.2 Message-ID: <20141004141748.GH32481@gonzales> References: <20140928160229.GD28734@gonzales> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vKFfOv5t3oGVpiF+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://mbays.freeshell.org/pubkey.asc X-PGP-KeyId: B5FB2CD6 X-cunselcu'a-valsi: gunka User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Original-Sender: mbays@sdf.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: mbays@sdf.org does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=mbays@sdf.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --vKFfOv5t3oGVpiF+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Sunday, 2014-09-28 at 21:17 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Martin Bays wrote: >=20 > > So a {noi} on a variable yields a side claim entirely > > outside the scope of the corresponding quantifier, so involving an > > unbound variable, which I'm currently (fairly arbitrarily) handling by > > universally quantifying it out over whatever domain it was originally > > quantified over, so e.g. {du su'o da poi broda zi'e noi brode} -> {ro da > > poi broda zo'u da brode .i su'o da poi broda zo'u du da}. >=20 > Should we allow for the possibility that "brode" is not distributive over > the brodas? > Something like: >=20 > su'o da poi plini zi'e noi so'i so'i mei cu terdi I think it's a reasonable rule that since {su'o} is a singular quantifier, the implicit relative variable in the noi clause refers to a singular variable. That would rule out this kind of thing. Martin --vKFfOv5t3oGVpiF+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQwAYwACgkQULC7OLX7LNa+SgCfWhixxmtXVs+tpg0A2zw4qRex yTkAoK3hGTfbq5oX/hRyZocOTKARWXAK =0V05 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vKFfOv5t3oGVpiF+--