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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 13:33:56 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: {da poi} (was: Re: tersmu 0.2
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On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:

> * Sunday, 2014-09-28 at 21:17 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gma=
il.com
> >:
>
> > On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Should we allow for the possibility that "brode" is not distributive ov=
er
> > the brodas?
> > Something like:
> >
> >    su'o da poi plini zi'e noi so'i so'i mei cu terdi
>
> I think it's a reasonable rule that since {su'o} is a singular
> quantifier, the implicit relative variable in the noi clause refers
> to a singular variable. That would rule out this kind of thing.


My current thinking is that variables are not singular or plural, it's just
the quantifiers that bind them that can be singular or plural, and singular
and plural quantifiers can both have the same domain.

The noi there is still weird, but in "PA da poi broda zi'e noi brode cu
brodi", it should make no difference what PA is, since in all cases the
domain of quantification would be the same, and the members of that
implicit domain seem to be the only things available for the noi close to
be about. Also, since it's always possible to force a distributive reading
with "noi ro ke'a ...", I would not make it a part of "noi" itself.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Martin Bays <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:mbays@sdf.org" target=3D"_blank">mbays@sdf.org</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">* Sunday, 2014-09-28 at 21:17 -0300 =
- Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambia=
s@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt; On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Martin Bays &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mba=
ys@sdf.org">mbays@sdf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>
&gt; Should we allow for the possibility that &quot;brode&quot; is not dist=
ributive over<br>
&gt; the brodas?<br>
&gt; Something like:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 su&#39;o da poi plini zi&#39;e noi so&#39;i so&#39;i mei =
cu terdi<br>
<br>
</div></div>I think it&#39;s a reasonable rule that since {su&#39;o} is a s=
ingular<br>
quantifier, the implicit relative variable in the noi clause refers<br>
to a singular variable. That would rule out this kind of thing.</blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>My current thinking is that variables are not singular=
 or plural, it&#39;s just the quantifiers that bind them that can be singul=
ar or plural, and singular and plural quantifiers can both have the same do=
main.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>The noi there is still weird, but in &=
quot;PA da poi broda zi&#39;e noi brode cu brodi&quot;, it should make no d=
ifference what PA is, since in all cases the domain of quantification would=
 be the same, and the members of that implicit domain seem to be the only t=
hings available for the noi close to be about. Also, since it&#39;s always =
possible to force a distributive reading with &quot;noi ro ke&#39;a ...&quo=
t;, I would not make it a part of &quot;noi&quot; itself.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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