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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2
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On 5 Oct 2014 23:38, "Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> The presupposition is that when you use "lo plise" there's something you
are talking about, and that something is identified by their satisfying the
predicate "plise".

What sort of identification is this? It sounds like you're saying lo is
definite, and attributing to it the sense I had understood le to have, with
nonveridical description?

I'd understood {lo plise cu plise} to be necessarily true, but you seem not
to, yes? So {lo broda cu brodu} is not equivalent to {zo'e ge broda gi
brodu}?

If this is already covered somewhere else on wiki or in archives, just
point me to it.

And

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<p dir=3D"ltr"><br>
On 5 Oct 2014 23:38, &quot;Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; The presupposition is that when you use &quot;lo plise&quot; there&#39=
;s something you are talking about, and that something is identified by the=
ir satisfying the predicate &quot;plise&quot;.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">What sort of identification is this? It sounds like you&#39;=
re saying lo is definite, and attributing to it the sense I had understood =
le to have, with nonveridical description?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d understood {lo plise cu plise} to be necessarily tru=
e, but you seem not to, yes? So {lo broda cu brodu} is not equivalent to {z=
o&#39;e ge broda gi brodu}?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">If this is already covered somewhere else on wiki or in arch=
ives, just point me to it.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">And</p>

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