Received: from mail-ee0-f60.google.com ([74.125.83.60]:61723) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XbWyu-0000QI-9m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:25 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f60.google.com with SMTP id e51sf621566eek.5 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gJyjlcH8FTUk34Hhxpi39CFyrnTN1yjJNY+ToleeB2A=; b=U8sGsRxLEoyRZF62RyUD/KIrYQ3UmfAUf/rwK9QbZMJS2TgGOssOx7Ct1wmBBSuIKG WGWDA7IZCelKscQnV6/L/pN9xtgHM/9IKhfxYIhLMN/WFp2T5RFRcZhDPHcK5i9eGWrk nNzFtl8D2fxzbTP1ZALaRnoT58Y5ZJCrZAqo/TFdXPzY6QKcU1nBE2+Wi2D8tKbxigZJ Sfkb3Bk8ktzx1xnCThm+DPGczwdjKTii3vJYuv+14IxjK4XKJoEva1WzQk1HrlFMbwLU 6XmNMK/qT0/BkoOT1iSATW6E3sngm/+yPa4pt2hgjLcdl0sFOszvgcLp1yiO6XMZIMEt BbKA== X-Received: by 10.180.8.230 with SMTP id u6mr21466wia.1.1412696833088; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.107.194 with SMTP id he2ls380628wib.51.canary; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.92.13 with SMTP id ci13mr630753wjb.5.1412696832387; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si166663wiz.1.2014.10.07.08.47.12 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::234; Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id a1so9608650wgh.35 for ; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.39.44 with SMTP id m12mr29334367wik.25.1412696832287; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.175.167 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:47:12 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Gender vs. Sex. Culture vs. nature. From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134d4a0dd2c0d0504d71ca6 X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - --001a1134d4a0dd2c0d0504d71ca6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Gismu in question: cinse = x1 in activity/state x2 exhibits sexuality/gender/sexual orientation x3 (ka) by standard x4. Also: x1 courts/flirts; x3 could be a ka , ka , or ka , etc.; (adjective:) x1 is sexual/sexy; x1 is flirted with/courted by x2 (= cinfriti, cinjikca). fetsi = x1 is a female/doe of species x2 evidencing feminine trait(s) x3 (ka); x1 is feminine ninmu = x1 is a woman/women; x1 is a female humanoid person [not necessarily adult]. ganti = x1 is a/the testes/ovary/testicle/scrotum/balls/gonad/stamen/pistil [body-part] of x2, gender x3. {cinse} and {te ganti} were discussed in past. However, I still don't know how to fill all places of {ganti} at the same time. {lo xanto cu se ganti lo barda lo nakni} ? And {lo xanto poi nakni cu se ganti lo barda ma}? Who are Annelida? Are they nakni or fetsi? They are hermaphrodites. Some male mammals breastfeed their babies. Do they evidence fetsi3 this way? Is ninmu bound to gender and fetsi to sex? What about people with XXY chromosomes? Are they semi-fetsi? Is Conchita Wurst a ninmu? a fetsi? Where is the border between allegedly cultural LGBT in humans and allegedly natural behavior in animals like shown here: http://9gag.com/gag/aZP2zgz ? I hope you will answer on all of my question here sooner or later. Better sooner. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. --001a1134d4a0dd2c0d0504d71ca6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Gismu in question:

cinse =3D= x1 in activity/state x2 exhibits sexuality/gender/sexual orientation x3 (k= a) by standard x4. Also: x1 courts/flirts; x3 could be a ka <gender or r= ole>, ka <attraction to a gender>, or ka <type of activity>,= etc.; (adjective:) x1 is sexual/sexy; x1 is flirted with/courted by x2 (= =3D cinfriti, cinjikca).

fetsi =3D x1 is a female/= doe of species x2 evidencing feminine trait(s) x3 (ka); x1 is feminine
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ninmu =3D x1 is a woman/women; x1 is a female humanoid person= [not necessarily adult].

ganti =3D x1 is a/the te= stes/ovary/testicle/scrotum/balls/gonad/stamen/pistil [body-part] of x2, ge= nder x3.



{cinse} and= {te ganti} were discussed in past. However, I still don't know how to = fill all places of {ganti} at the same time.
{lo xanto cu se gant= i lo barda lo nakni} ?
And {lo xanto poi nakni cu se ganti lo bar= da ma}?

Who are Annelida? Are they nakni or fe= tsi? They are hermaphrodites.
Some male mammals breastfeed their = babies. Do they evidence fetsi3 this way?
Is ninmu bound to gende= r and fetsi to sex?

What about people with XXY chr= omosomes? Are they semi-fetsi?
Is Conchita Wurst a ninmu? a fetsi= ?

Where is the border between allegedly cultural L= GBT in humans and allegedly natural behavior in animals like shown here:=C2= =A0http://9gag.com/gag/aZP2zgz = ?



I hope you will an= swer on all of my question here sooner or later. Better sooner.

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