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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 20:17:46 -0400
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:46 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> I.e. we cannot easily say "three students are surrounding the building"
> without bringing in a dummy {lo} that only serves to give us a plural via
> inner quantifiers (even though there is no referent we wish to refer to).
>
It's not *that* bad:

{.i su'o da ci de poi tadni zo'u da gunma de gi'e sruri lo dinju}

"There exists an X and three students Y such that X has Y as mass elements
and X surrounds the building." I am not sure whether one must explicitly
state {da ci mei} in this situation, but of course we can do that if needed.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
ed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:46 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-lef=
t:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I.e. we cannot easily say &quot;three st=
udents are surrounding the building&quot; without bringing in a dummy {lo} =
that only serves to give us a plural via inner quantifiers (even though the=
re is no referent we wish to refer to).<br></blockquote>It&#39;s not *that*=
 bad:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">{.i su&#39;o da ci de poi tadni zo&#39;u da gunma de gi&#39;e sruri lo =
dinju}<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>&quot;There =
exists an X and three students Y such that X has Y as mass elements and X s=
urrounds the building.&quot; I am not sure whether one must explicitly stat=
e {da ci mei} in this situation, but of course we can do that if needed.<br=
></div><div><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o <br></div></div=
></div></div>

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