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la latro'a cu cusku di'e
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:46 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de
> <mailto:seladwa@gmx.de>> wrote:
>
>     I.e. we cannot easily say "three students are surrounding the
>     building" without bringing in a dummy {lo} that only serves to give
>     us a plural via inner quantifiers (even though there is no referent
>     we wish to refer to).
>
> It's not *that* bad:
>
> {.i su'o da ci de poi tadni zo'u da gunma de gi'e sruri lo dinju}

As xorxes already pointed out, this singularizes. It is not a plural 
statement. I do not consider it a satisfying solution because it forces 
the speaker to talk about masses when they only want to talk about students.

> "There exists an X and three students Y such that X has Y as mass
> elements and X surrounds the building." I am not sure whether one must
> explicitly state {da ci mei} in this situation, but of course we can do
> that if needed.

pe'i ro da pa mei .i no da ci mei

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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