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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:55:04 -0300
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e
>
>>
>> Then we can say "su'oi ci tadni cu sruri lo dinju".
>>
>
> If {su'oi} is to parallel {su'o}, then I would expect {su'oi ci} to mean
> "at least three" as a plural quantifier.
>

Perhaps, but that could also be "su'oi su'o ci".

I would read "su'oi ci" as "some three", which is not exactly the same as
"some at least three".

"su'oi ci prenu cu casnu lo tcima" would mean that at least one of the
discussions about the whether involved exactly three people.

But maybe {su'oi je ci} "at least one and three" makes sense for the exact
> plural 3. It's a bit hackish though, because it connects a plural with a
> singular quantifier.
>
> Another option is to have a new PA that marks a PA string as plural.
>

Some singular quantifiers have more than one plural version. The plural
version of "ro" for example can be ro'oi = naku su'oi     naku, roughly
"any number of" or "any", but it could also be the one that picks
everything together, roughly "all"..

And yet another option is to take plurals as the default.


That could be useful at least for most quantifiers, since they are often
inadvertently used like that anyway.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">la .xorxes. cu cu=
sku di&#39;e<br>
</span><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D""><br>
Then we can say &quot;su&#39;oi ci tadni cu sruri lo dinju&quot;.<br>
</span></blockquote>
<br>
If {su&#39;oi} is to parallel {su&#39;o}, then I would expect {su&#39;oi ci=
} to mean &quot;at least three&quot; as a plural quantifier.<br></blockquot=
e><div><br></div><div>Perhaps, but that could also be &quot;su&#39;oi su=
9;o ci&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>I would read &quot;su&#39;oi ci&quot=
; as &quot;some three&quot;, which is not exactly the same as &quot;some at=
 least three&quot;.</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;su&#39;oi ci prenu cu ca=
snu lo tcima&quot; would mean that at least one of the discussions about th=
e whether involved exactly three people.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">
But maybe {su&#39;oi je ci} &quot;at least one and three&quot; makes sense =
for the exact plural 3. It&#39;s a bit hackish though, because it connects =
a plural with a singular quantifier.<br>
<br>
Another option is to have a new PA that marks a PA string as plural.<br></b=
lockquote><div><br></div><div>Some singular quantifiers have more than one =
plural version. The plural version of &quot;ro&quot; for example can be ro&=
#39;oi =3D naku su&#39;oi =C2=A0 =C2=A0 naku, roughly &quot;any number of&q=
uot; or &quot;any&quot;, but it could also be the one that picks everything=
 together, roughly &quot;all&quot;..</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
And yet another option is to take plurals as the default.</blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>That could be useful at least for most quantifiers, since th=
ey are often inadvertently used like that anyway.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div=
><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>

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