Received: from mail-ee0-f59.google.com ([74.125.83.59]:39523) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XcNbN-00041g-9v for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:58:37 -0700 Received: by mail-ee0-f59.google.com with SMTP id e53sf232312eek.14 for ; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TLxB5an1Mf3TvwSOb6OYP90Ry+KrGIKHpTh3hmly7tY=; b=basnuJuLXiBo4dBhF97kKzBSfw/Bpz3XEhMBcHULOKK423HzGisuUTxlhUjG2MQvGw sW4C2bLL+Ury1vZjuGVpKHqiURF5XMdQwdu1IYoc9hthClfybnz6Inys5K8q/oTZhFv+ 9xLGncBo9rF+oEszZlKJ6xJ4WhOuz/D8405TTXMPoNYqjce8d76JkV+8e1lMYQv12+GG mR8gwpC4v2Mj+iHQ/nfLj1gLRsoIXDmhY9M/x5RyjKaV88r7EknxkyGfW6PuO92w8lHU SZD0lcI3odkZSTsX5zFbFLhbCUMikap6bOapeI6lszuvIW6PPWKbLmmBdfDOXd2fRdff 1ogQ== X-Received: by 10.152.7.99 with SMTP id i3mr8675laa.20.1412899106077; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.21.135 with SMTP id v7ls224673lae.40.gmail; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:58:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.112.151.3 with SMTP id um3mr18648lbb.15.1412899105281; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rb5si57353lbb.0.2014.10.09.16.58.25 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Oct 2014 16:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from [192.168.2.118] ([93.220.65.223]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mb7lL-1XvQr52zQR-00KfkQ for ; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 01:58:24 +0200 Message-ID: <54372122.1010806@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 01:58:26 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 References: <20141004141407.GG32481@gonzales> <20141005153531.GA1974@gonzales> <20141005214350.GC1974@gonzales> <20141005234958.GD1974@gonzales> <20141006025048.GE1974@gonzales> <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <5435BEB8.5050303@gmx.de> <5436730B.9040101@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:gBOQBvbRphmpC0br+sfWSBeKPDTkNpwwRJ9YYCN806i4jDWi77g 2PmsUXJFO94htobvImDjW4rJvToUlXnJnrSCEA85g/BFzqiJIrnyiBpjZrNrlEN6Qu5FPOe 3mIZ5DmgHKR+gotw7RbBOLiGIrvgpNaY9iiYLcgMDLcm6R+seA5wvoxMzvBT8dpAaG6N8tD PRZRczI/R+suY53RFYWfQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - la .xorxes. cu cusku di'e > Some singular quantifiers have more than one plural version. The > plural version of "ro" for example can be ro'oi = naku su'oi > naku, roughly "any number of" or "any", but it could also be the one > that picks everything together, roughly "all".. Indeed (Toaq Dzu has both as distinct words). I take {ro'oi} as the dual of {su'oi} (naku su'oi naku). The other one would be "the highest number". My impression so far has been that "any" is much more common than "all". "All" is mostly necessary when counting cardinalities (e.g. "All shipmates together were seven in number"), where "any" would fail. > And yet another option is to take plurals as the default. > > That could be useful at least for most quantifiers, since they are > often inadvertently used like that anyway. I just think that plural quantifiers would make more sense in a language with plural reference. Right now Lojban has a strange mix of singular and plural predication. We can talk about the students who are surrounding a building, but can't claim that some students are surrounding the building without bringing in proxy sets or masses (or experimental cmavo). mi'e la selpa'i mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.