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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 22:28:26 -0300
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:58 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

>
> Indeed (Toaq Dzu has both as distinct words). I take {ro'oi} as the dual
> of {su'oi} (naku su'oi naku). The other one would be "the highest
> number". My impression so far has been that "any" is much more common
> than "all". "All" is mostly necessary when counting cardinalities (e.g.
> "All shipmates together were seven in number"), where "any" would fail.


Or "It took all shipmates to lift the cannon."

This kind of generalization is the one we're thinking of for the cardinal
numbers. Basically the plural version of PA would correspond to "su'oi da
poi PA mei". That's also probably what we want for the so'V series, rather
than the other variety. The exception would be "no" that only has the other
generalization, "naku su'oi".

I just think that plural quantifiers would make more sense in a language
> with plural reference. Right now Lojban has a strange mix of singular and
> plural predication. We can talk about the students who are surrounding a
> building, but can't claim that some students are surrounding the building
> without bringing in proxy sets or masses (or experimental cmavo).


Definitely worth considering.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:58 PM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Indeed (Toaq Dzu has both as distinct words). I take {ro&#39;oi} as the dua=
l<br>
of {su&#39;oi} (naku su&#39;oi naku). The other one would be &quot;the high=
est<br>
number&quot;. My impression so far has been that &quot;any&quot; is much mo=
re common<br>
than &quot;all&quot;. &quot;All&quot; is mostly necessary when counting car=
dinalities (e.g.<br>
&quot;All shipmates together were seven in number&quot;), where &quot;any&q=
uot; would fail.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Or &quot;It took all shipm=
ates to lift the cannon.&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>This kind of genera=
lization is the one we&#39;re thinking of for the cardinal numbers. Basical=
ly the plural version of PA would correspond to &quot;su&#39;oi da poi PA m=
ei&quot;. That&#39;s also probably what we want for the so&#39;V series, ra=
ther than the other variety. The exception would be &quot;no&quot; that onl=
y has the other generalization, &quot;naku su&#39;oi&quot;.</div><div><br><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I just think that plural quantifiers would make more sense in a language wi=
th plural reference. Right now Lojban has a strange mix of singular and plu=
ral predication. We can talk about the students who are surrounding a build=
ing, but can&#39;t claim that some students are surrounding the building wi=
thout bringing in proxy sets or masses (or experimental cmavo).</blockquote=
><div><br></div><div>Definitely worth considering.</div><div><br></div><div=
>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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