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[2a00:1450:400c:c05::235]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p7si502426wiz.1.2014.10.11.04.42.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::235; Received: by mail-wi0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hi2so4103503wib.8 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.185.115 with SMTP id fb19mr1440189wjc.117.1413027748090; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.208] ([95.149.220.151]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k10sm9875624wjb.28.2014.10.11.04.42.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 04:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <543917AA.30802@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:42:34 +0100 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120711 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2 References: <20141006025048.GE1974@gonzales> <20141008015245.GB17866@gonzales> <20141009010533.GF18854@gonzales> <20141009233031.GC1592@gonzales> <20141010234033.GG22868@gonzales> <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> In-Reply-To: <20141011021201.GH22868@gonzales> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::235 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Martin Bays, On 11/10/2014 03:12: > it looks like {tu'a} is in LAhE only syntactically, not > semantically, and must be handled separately. > > (So then tu'a needing opacity is no longer an argument that the rest of > LAhE should get it...) Given that syntax is logical form -- rather than combinatorics of morphopho= nological forms, which is pseudosyntax -- your framing of the issue should = not be accepted. (I realize I've expressed that in an ex cathedra way, but = I'm happy to argue the point if it is contested.) Rather, you mean "{tu'a} = is in LAhE only pseudosyntactically, not syntactically". This observation a= pplies to everything that gets said about Lojban syntax; I'm only commentin= g on it here because of your very careful ratiocinations about the rules fo= r building logical forms. Me I would advocate throwing away the pseudosyntax as the unlinguistic junk= it is, but anybody set on keeping it as the basis for actual syntax couldn= 't get away with this wishful distinction between 'syntax' and 'semantics' = where 'semantics' is used to mean 'structure of logical form'. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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