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On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:39 AM, 'John E. Clifford' via lojban <
lojban@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
> I got to wondering about "What I think John knows is possible", ignoring
> the extra problems of cognitive predicates and using / for the descriptor,
> since typefaces keep confusing LC ell with one and uc i. P
> /x(Bi/y(^Kjx^y)), which Is not going to convert easily, as you say.
>

Actually, the English is ambiguous, but my example was just a referring
term, not a complete formula:  /x(Bi/y(^Kj/z(^Px^z)^y)  if I understand the
notation correctly. I suppose you just read the English and not the Lojban
forms, which didn't share that ambiguity:

  lo poi'i mi jinvi lo du'u la djan cu djuno lo du'u ke'a cumki
  xxx poi mi jinvi lo du'u la djan cu djuno lo du'u ke'a cumki
  zo'e noi mi jinvi lo du'u la djan cu djuno lo du'u ke'a cumki


>  But that is no reason to disparage cases that do convert easily.
>

 We're not disparaging the more ergonomic forms, they are used all the
time.

Indeed, it makes me inclined to doubt the legitimacy of the form itself
> (quantifying in and all that).
>

What would it mean that it was illegitimate? It wouldn't mean anything, or
it would mean something else?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:39 AM, &#39;John E. Clifford&#39; via lojban =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" target=3D"=
_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;bo=
rder-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">=
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><br></div><div><span>I got to wondering about=
 &quot;What I think John knows is possible&quot;, ignoring the extra proble=
ms of cognitive predicates and using / for the descriptor, since typefaces =
keep confusing LC ell with one and uc i. P /x(Bi/y(^Kjx^y)), which Is not g=
oing to convert easily, as you say. </span></div></div></blockquote><div><b=
r></div><div>Actually, the English is ambiguous, but my example was just a =
referring term, not a complete formula: =C2=A0/x(Bi/y(^Kj/z(^Px^z)^y) =C2=
=A0if I understand the notation correctly. I suppose you just read the Engl=
ish and not the Lojban forms, which didn&#39;t share that ambiguity:</div><=
div><br></div><div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x">=C2=A0 lo poi&#39;i mi jinvi lo du&#39;u la djan cu djuno lo du&#39;u ke=
&#39;a cumki</div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px=
">=C2=A0 xxx poi mi jinvi lo du&#39;u la djan cu djuno lo du&#39;u ke&#39;a=
 cumki<br></div><div style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=
=C2=A0 zo&#39;e noi mi jinvi lo du&#39;u la djan cu djuno lo du&#39;u ke=
9;a cumki</div></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-=
left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><span>=C2=A0But that is no reason to disparage cas=
es that do convert easily. =C2=A0</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>=C2=A0We&#39;re not disparaging the more ergonomic forms, they ar=
e used all the time.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-c=
olor:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolo=
r=3D"#FFFFFF"><div><span>Indeed, it makes me inclined to doubt the legitima=
cy of the form itself (quantifying in and all that).</span></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>What would it mean that it was illegitimate? I=
t wouldn&#39;t mean anything, or it would mean something else?</div><div><b=
r></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div=
>

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